So, you were cheering for the market to crash, What do you do now?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by smallfil, Oct 10, 2018.

How did you do today?

Poll closed Oct 13, 2018.
  1. I made a lot of monies today

    10 vote(s)
    24.4%
  2. I lost a lot of monies today

    13 vote(s)
    31.7%
  3. Held my own, did not lose a lot nor made a lot

    10 vote(s)
    24.4%
  4. I am just a troll. Do not actually trade the stockmarket.

    8 vote(s)
    19.5%
  1. ElCubano

    ElCubano

    The Kung fu grip. Old school baby.
     
    #31     Oct 11, 2018
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  2. tomorton

    tomorton

    What I do now hasn't changed. My trading risk management plan triggered and got me out of my long positions on indices and uptrending stocks. I will get back long again in these and similar when my uptrend set-up signals go green again. Meantime I have shorts and short orders on individual vulnerable stocks which were already in downtrends.

    If I was an investor, I would continue to sit back with a glass of wine and wait for the dividends to arrive, while keeping an eye on more high yielding shares to buy and hold (for ever).
     
    #32     Oct 11, 2018
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  3. DTB2

    DTB2

    Looking at TXN right now
     
    #33     Oct 11, 2018
  4. smallfil

    smallfil

    Thanks for sharing. Quite informative. Remember Alan Greenspan when he was the Federal Reserve Chairman? He kept raising interest rates over and over until the market crashed?
     
    #34     Oct 11, 2018
  5. smallfil

    smallfil

    Now, my mistake was not clarifying the crash, pullback or correction if you wish. Whatever you want to call it. Longer term, if you were position trading, you would be using the weekly chart and the trend is intact so, you can sit back and relax. Of course, you still suffer from the drawdowns which eats up any profits you already have. If the market goes back up, you can regain those profits. Now, if you were day trading or swing trader (like me). The 3% drop in the Dow is nothing I guess if you trade the indexes. I do not trade indexes for the most part and probably, the day traders as well. My trades last 10 days maximum so, this matters more for us because of the short time frame. We also, trade individuals stocks which took a far larger hit than that 3%. AAPL fell $10.51 or 4.63%, MSFT fell $6.10 or 5.43%, NVDA fell $19.85 or 7.48%. And if you trade stock options, with the leverage, the swings are in the 100% and up range. Now, just explain to me how people lost huge sums all in one day and others to make huge sums if it was just a 3% move? It is not a 3% move, way more than that! Add leverage to that is and we are talking 100% moves. Maybe, you do not see it because you just trade the indexes but, it is there! This is not merely a 3% move! The bid and ask spreads also, get wider and much harder for sellers to get out at favorable prices. Buyers will bid down prices knowing the sellers are desperate.
     
    #35     Oct 11, 2018
  6. tomorton

    tomorton

    Its all a bit confusing smallfil, what you've posted, though I admit I'm not doing much of the stuff you're talking about.

    However, I am a UK-based spreadbetter and was long S&P. My stop was set at 1% of my account capital, and I benefit from 20:1 leverage when SB-ing indices. My capital loss when the S&P stop-loss triggered was exactly 1%.

    The fall in prices will probably be cancelled by a resumption of uptrend and if so the theoretical upside is infinite. Of course, if the market goes into a downtrend, I will short the US indices until the downtrend stops, and maximum theoretical price fall is 100%. Since indices have natural buoyancy and the US indices have been in an uptrend and are not in a downtrend yet, I expect uptrending to be more probable.
     
    #36     Oct 11, 2018
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  7. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    So, you are trading without trailing stops... :(
     
    #37     Oct 11, 2018
  8. smallfil

    smallfil

    I think you have a different way of trading in the UK which would not apply to US traders so, an apples to oranges comparison. The DJIA dropped like 3.15% but, that is just 30 companies comprising that! We have 10,000 stocks in the US markets trading every day. Most traders and investors trade individuals stocks and they sure dropped more than the 3.15% so, it is not a fair comparison. With the leverage of options, 100% moves during the day is common in the US markets.
     
    #38     Oct 11, 2018
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  9. tomorton

    tomorton


    100%! Cor Blimey O'Riley! (as we say over here)
    Why would anyone trade under those conditions?
     
    #39     Oct 11, 2018
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  10. And there it is! The SP500 touching the its 200 day moving average.
    Will it bounce off it? or break down through it?

    [SP500, 1 month, daily candles, 200ma (blue line)]

    SP500, 1 month, daily candles, 200ma.png
     
    #40     Oct 11, 2018
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