So - who's going to be the first to announce negative commissions?

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by terr, Oct 3, 2019.

  1. jeb9999

    jeb9999

    From TDAmeritrade Regulatory Fees:

    "Section 31" Fee: $0.0000207 per $1.00 of transaction proceeds

    Trading Activity Fee: $0.000119 per equity share


    Sell 5000 shares of $20 stock Fees are $2.07 + .60 = $2.67
     
    #11     Oct 3, 2019
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  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    The death of trading as we know it,

     
    #12     Oct 3, 2019
  3. jeb9999

    jeb9999

    Where do you see "that for a $10K trade the brokers get maybe $2-$2.5 in order flow payments" ?

    From TDAmeritrade SEC 606 report they get paid $0.0015 per share, That is $0.75 for 500 shares at $20.

    Payment for order flow has been for both limit and market orders for at least 20 years.
     
    #13     Oct 3, 2019
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  4. 2rosy

    2rosy

    most of the brokers offering zero commission sell there flow to wholesalers. so they could pass some of the money to clients; then you have negative commissions
     
    #14     Oct 3, 2019
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  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    I was speaking about the exchanges, not brokers. Exchange fees.
     
    #15     Oct 3, 2019
  6. guru

    guru

    Let’s note that Robinhood doesn’t charge any exchange fees, regulatory fees are unnoticeable (https://support.robinhood.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001226846-Trading-Fees-on-Robinhood), while also charging zero commissions for option trades (vs $0.65 still charged by other brokers).
    Does this mean they may be swallowing some costs and therefore pretty much charging negative commissions? And I didn’t see any info about them being unprofitable either, or to what extent.
    Btw, not sure if IB Lite charges for trading options. (?)
     
    #16     Oct 3, 2019
  7. jeb9999

    jeb9999

    For people who trade real money Regulatory Fees are very noticeable.

    "Section 31" Fee: $0.0000207 per $1.00 of transaction proceeds

    Trading Activity Fee: $0.000119 per equity share


    Sell 5000 shares of $20 stock Fees are $2.07 + .60 = $2.67

    Sell 50000 shares of $20 stock Fees are $20.70 + 5.95 = $26.65
     
    #17     Oct 3, 2019
  8. terr

    terr

    I don't know what TDA gets. This is from Robinhood:

    https://blog.robinhood.com/news/2018/10/12/a-letter-from-robinhood-co-founder-amp-co-ceo-vlad-tenev

    "Robinhood earns ~$0.00026 in rebates per dollar traded.". That's $2.6 for $10K traded.
     
    #18     Oct 3, 2019
  9. A buck 75 = $175
     
    #19     Oct 3, 2019
  10. A buck is commonly referred to as 1 dollar. 100 dollars as c-note or a benjamin. 1.75 made sense given the account sizes and trade sizes free everything trading accounts usually attract.

     
    #20     Oct 3, 2019