So the most hostile and hateful anti-Trumpers here aren't Americans?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Poindexter, May 29, 2018.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    But they're not rational people, so I'd not expect their arguments to be cogent, just hysterical.
     
    #21     May 30, 2018
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  2. Poindexter

    Poindexter

    #22     May 30, 2018
  3. bone

    bone

    Well, that is certainly true for the top one or two on the list. They post links and make irrational hyperbolic judgement statements. And quite frankly there are those from the right side of the political spectrum that do the same.

    For me, I love a good political debate and exploring ideas. I have repeatedly liked posts and publicly complimented a well constructed on-point argument from the far left - Piezoe comes to mind. I will take the time to carefully read and consider a well crafted and thought out far leftist point of view. I will likely agree with quite a few libertarian and classical liberal ideas. But bombs from the radical right or radical left does nobody any good at all. In fact, it shuts down the free exchange of ideas.

    If I think a lefty joke or image is quality humor I will "like" it without reserve - Slartibartfast and Here4Money have gotten likes from me just in the past few days or so in fact. If it's funny and on point it is funny and holds up no matter what your political bent - if you're open minded to new ideas or at least receptive

    Just my 2 cents, YMMV.
     
    #23     May 30, 2018
  4. Nice Twilight Zone reference there, cudos Poin.

    It is so adorable when an errr..autistic spectrum? member of the ET community thinks they have something black and white to be right about. You get so excited and tail waggy! Most of our autistic spectrums on ET are quants (ish) and such so it is nice to have diversity of background and even intellect.

    You should trade for sure. We can help.

    Bit of a difference of opinion with bone on defending voters who made a bad call for ignoble reasons in large part. The self-esteem movement in the US has done enough damage.

    In the end, we are bad (terrible) friends? not mortal enemies etc. Cannons firing over each other's heads a lot.
     
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    #24     May 30, 2018
  5. Bannon and the Mercers via Cambridge Analytica / Shitebart using Brexit as a test for the US election... That was not amusing @bone.

    If the US stayed within it's own political borders within reason, there would be no reason to push back.
     
    #25     May 30, 2018
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Piezoe is a much better one to discuss ideas with. Please don't call him a Libertarian. That's hilariously inaccurate.
     
    #26     May 30, 2018
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  7. bone

    bone

    Well, you have a point. In fact, up to and including the Obama administration the CIA has conducted operations to influence foreign elections - the US has a long history of meddling in foreign elections. The Obama administration funded political groups and political campaigns in Kenya, Libya, Israel, Macedonia, Honduras, and Egypt.
     
    #27     May 30, 2018
  8. bone

    bone

    No, Piezoe is certainly a hard lefty. I meant that I personally would agree with many Libertarian ideals.
     
    #28     May 30, 2018
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  9. and...

     
    #29     May 30, 2018
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  10. It has surpassed governmental interference significantly lately. The oligarchs are playing it large on the big stage. I tend to subscribe to a theory described by Peter Turchin relating to oversupply and inter-elite competition (not just the true elite) that occurs before civilisations have destabilised.

    ‘Elite overproduction generally leads to more intra-elite competition that gradually undermines the spirit of cooperation, which is followed by ideological polarization and fragmentation of the political class. This happens because the more contenders there are, the more of them end up on the losing side. A large class of disgruntled elite-wannabes, often well-educated and highly capable, has been denied access to elite positions.’

    Having lived in many countries including the US, perspective on how the US' excess is trickling down in very wrong ways is abundant.

    Relating to your earlier point, as a young man when backpacking the US (mostly by Amtrak really) I met an author and afterwards read his book.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

    Having spoken in person I found him credible enough, some will have been dramatised of course. It got me noticing the number of times the US has ham-fistedly manipulated South America and the Middle East during the Cold War.

    Until Brexit I did not really feel involved.. now the oligarchs are directly acting, I feel it is prudent to pay attention and use some of my war chest to take direct acton where I can.
     
    #30     May 30, 2018