So It Turns Out Mexico Will Pay For The Wall...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, May 31, 2019.

  1. smallfil

    smallfil

    All Mexico has to do is close its borders to the migrants. Put Federal police and harden it with lots of barriers. Andres Lopez-Obrador is full on Socialist so, he is deliberately, subverting the US by letting the migrants in and busing them to the US border! No sovereign country will tolerate that crap! Mexico is being a bad neighbor to the US by creating problems which could have easily been avoided! They have tens of billions of dollars surplus with the US and to act in a hostile manner to your neighbor is totally, unacceptable! Remittances to Mexico needs to be another option if the Mexican government still will not take action! Do not bite the hands that feeds you!
     
    #21     May 31, 2019
  2. Absolutely. For Mexico to knowingly let massive caravans into Mexico, knowing that their plan is to illegally enter the U.S is a hostile act toward this country.

    Just as it would be a hostile act toward Canada if we allowed massive numbers of people to enter this country who openly state that they are headed to Canada to try enter that country then that would be a hostile act toward Canada.

    Oh, and Tards dont try to get slippery with me by saying that it is not illegal to request asylum. The fucking Mexicans know that under international law, Mexico is the place where they must request asylum, not the U.S., if they are coming from Central America. We know that Mexico cannot control all the various schemes for entering. They are just being asked to not be enablers and facilitators and outfight dirty, crooked promoters poking us in the eye at every step.
     
    #22     May 31, 2019
  3. UsualName

    UsualName

    All of this is solvable if Republicans would just compromise with the democrats. The longer the right acts impetuous the worse illegal immigration will get.

    And don’t blame the democrats, they remain ready to negotiate. It’s Trump and the republicans that are not at the table.

    As proof it’s Trump, Trump can’t even land an infrastructure bill and literally everybody wants one.
     
    #23     May 31, 2019
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Mexico can close its southern borders, but they have a more "leaky" border than we do. It's just a smaller area geographically. But there is plenty of illegal immigration Mexico can do nothing about. And, of course, this won't stop illegal Mexican immigrants from coming into the US.
     
    #24     May 31, 2019
  5. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    The Tariff will increase 5% each month until it reaches its maximum of 25% in October. That is 25% on ALL goods imported from Mexico.

    That avocado toast you enjoy is going to get a bit more expensive.

    It looks like Uncle Sam is fed up with being ripped off six ways to Sunday. Mexico can either stop the illegal immigration or lose a vast chunk of their economy.

    We all know they aren't going to lift a finger to stop illegals so the Mexican economy will be crushed. I think you will see the San Joaquin Valley gradually return to its former status as America's bread basket. Companies will fall over themselves trying to relocate back to the USA.


    And the Wall will be paid for... by Mexico.
     
    #25     May 31, 2019
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  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Again, I doubt it. Companies will make a risk assessment and ask themselves:

    1. At what cost will relocation have to occur?
    2. Can I hold off until the next election?
    3. If I can, do I believe Trump loses and a new President will reverse these?

    etc.

    If Congress and the President were united in their mission to solve the problem this way, companies would immediately plan for production in the states, which would come with its own inflation as goods would be made by higher wages, etc.
     
    #26     May 31, 2019
  7. In the same nature/spirit of the risk assessment you listed I believe this same approach is used by companies who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

    I have looked at a number of ICE raids in the past few years. Some of the companies have been busted multiple times. In none of the cases is the CEO or any management facing prison time.

    The company will typically be fined (a fairly large amount of money). Many companies manage their risk by using 3rd party temporary staffing agencies. When the company is raided the management has offloaded all of the legal risk on the staffing agencies.

    Some of these companies are repeat offenders. Their risk assessment tells them the expected value/return is greater when you pay illegal immigrants below labor market values VS. the cost of an ICE raid.

    I'm not sure e-verify could solve this. Many of these temp staffing agencies have been proven to KNOWINGLY commit fraud and identity theft in their efforts to get illegals hired. CEOs who want to leverage a lower cost illegal labor force can insulate themselves from legal charges by insulating themselves via a staffing agency.

    TLDR; You need new laws that hold CEOs accountable. We also need e-verify and stronger oversight on Temp Staffing Agencies.
     
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    #27     May 31, 2019
  8. elderado

    elderado

    No. Full stop, no.

    Demoncrats need to give it up.
     
    #28     May 31, 2019
  9. Okay but the problem that we are up against now- that is relatively recent due to the wacko court rulings- is that illegals are not trying to cross the border and not be caught. The are trying to reach the border and turn themselves over- with the exception of the drug dealers. In other words, the goal is to be caught or just show up.

    Just a couple years ago the overwhelming number of illegals were young males. Now the majority are families or some combination that may involve a rent-a-kid to get asylum or stealing some children on the way up and then dumping them after they are in.

    There is no fix without both a wall and a change in asylum laws.
     
    #29     May 31, 2019
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  10. How is Mexico guilty of something that is controlled by another country? If 40 Mexicans decide tomorrow to run over the border, how should have Mexico stopped that? Granted their southern border is quite weak but you are going to punish Mexico because some of its citizens are sneaking across the border (that is the idea of sneaking...no one knows about it) then it is typical of American blame others and take no responsibility.

    I think Mexico and South America should put tariffs on all U.S. goods until Americans stop buying cocaine and weed.

    U.S. needs to change its asylum laws, enforce tougher employment penalties for hiring undocumented workers, improve immigration facilities outside the U.S. where people apply, add more security along the border and tell people with action that we will provide a process for you to come in and we will make it easier to access but if you bypass it, game over.

    If my house has no shit worth stealing I can leave it unlocked all the time. If the U.S. closed down all the freebies and loopholes and punished those who provide support to those who are undocumented then the incentive is taken away and while you never eliminate illegal immigration, you reduce it sgnificantly.

    Punishing Mexico because our border and immigration laws suck balls is just a pussy move I would expect from current D.C. politics. There have been numerous times where the President and Congress were of the same party and nothing was done so stop pointing fingers except in the mirror. Trump's latest action is just typical American bravado and lack of accountability.
     
    #30     May 31, 2019