So I profited 820 dollars on a deep ITM options spread and received this email from Tastytrade

Discussion in 'Options' started by Con1991, Apr 22, 2024.

  1. Con1991

    Con1991

    You are harping about a previous post I made on here, asking a hypothetical question about whether or not such a number of contracts could be traded in theory. In reality, since I have gone live, I am trading a low number of contracts, as in 5 or maybe 10. Scaling up is all part of trading.
     
    #21     Apr 23, 2024
  2. poopy

    poopy


    I'll explain it like I'm talking to a small child or a r****d.

    He's trading a DITM short spread at pennies which inevitably will be exercised/assigned on both legs. He can lever it up bc he's risking penny debits (req). There are fees associated with exercise/assignment which ostensibly he would not pay if all he has is $500 and shorting a 5-wide cs for 4.99 (ignoring commissions).

    He's trading euro-style settled to cash, so the only risk is the debit req and the fees, therefore all he needs is the debit req and the opening comms/fees.

    SPX at 4500. He's short the 4400/4405 cs from 4.99. 0DTE. He wants the mkt to drop to move the needle on the cs. Obv he'd love to see spooz drop below 4400 by the close. Without a multiplier the guy could run the penny-req spreads to the limits of his cash and leave TT with the costs of dealing with his ex/assignment.

    The answer? Buy the synthetic cs. The synthetic cs is the long 4400/4405 put spread. No ex/assign fees. What Chris at TT is trying to tell him, without recommending a specific position (NOT HIS ROLE!) is to avoid the fees associated with DITM flyers.

    The difference between the cs and the box arb is the ps. If you're long one you're short the other.

    Pay the debit on the ps. No expiration fees. Same risk. IQ test to trade DITM.
     
    #22     Apr 23, 2024
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  3. poopy

    poopy

    It's negative edge to choose the ITM spread over the OTM synthetic (0arb condition)

    Mofo, these are the same. One is fifteen cents NBBO and the other is nearly seventeen dollars wide. You penny the ps, not the cs. THEY ARE =.

    The 9 v 1,351 OI figure may be an indication.

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    #23     Apr 23, 2024
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  4. poopy

    poopy

    This fool is trying to short the above cs at 4.99 when he should be bidding the ps for 0.01.

    Understand?

    Chris doesn't want to deal with a debit balance out of client stupidity. Imagine this idiot weaking up and suing his agency broker bc they didn't stop him for suitability.

    Three pages of this absurd shit. How do you people live with yourselves?
     
    #24     Apr 23, 2024
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    It’s even dumber. he’s immediately trying to buy the CS at 0 after he sells it for 4.99. He’s arbing himself for 100 trying to earn 2500.

    He makes 2500percent/day and within a week or so he’s trading a million contracts at a clip.
     
    #25     Apr 23, 2024
  6. ok, fair enough, but surely if he lost that trade he wouldn't have got any warning.
    I understand your point, but why is OP allowed to trade then?
    Shouldn't that trade have been blocked in the first place if it was against the broker's policy?

    And I mean the question fairly as well. I am just trying to understand why a broker is so conscious about certain trades when they are in profit, almost as if they usually take the other side of losing traders.
     
    #26     Apr 23, 2024
  7. poopy

    poopy


    I was going to get into the millions BS but didn't have the heart to do it. The premise is so dumb.
     
    #27     Apr 23, 2024
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  8. poopy

    poopy


    What? WHAT? You want TT to code/override the client's account to prohibit DITM stupidity? Your dad should have pulled out.

    The last email from Chris was on a loser. They told him to stop on the last one and the OP stated that he would. A legitimate email, from their risk guy on the desk (CHRIS!), and the OP agreed that he would desist.

    He did it again and the market rallied enough for the synthetic long call spread to pay out smthg.

    You should stop.
     
    #28     Apr 23, 2024
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  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    it’s even crazier. If somehow he doesn’t close (he forgets, limits don’t hit, etc) first leg will settle and create millions of dollars of cash transfer and he’ll have millions of dollars of 1 day delta all secured with 100 dollars.
     
    #29     Apr 23, 2024
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  10. poopy

    poopy

    lol.

    Stop stating it's even crazier. What's un-stated could cause the planet to self-immolate.
     
    #30     Apr 23, 2024
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