So I got this email from a "wealth advisory firm"...

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by Saltynuts, Jul 21, 2020.

  1. Thor

    Thor

    It isn't a gimmick, but the "no management fees" got me. There are quite a few clues in there. .
    The return isn't guaranteed but the risk is capped. The method isn't that difficult to figure out.

    Why let them do it for you when you can do it for yourself?
     
    #11     Jul 21, 2020
  2. maxinger

    maxinger

    Simply delete such emails immediately.
     
    #12     Jul 21, 2020
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  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Caveat emptor
     
    #13     Jul 21, 2020
  4. Sig

    Sig

    The whole "It also provides for 125% of the stock market gains over the next 5 years." part implies the return is guaranteed. There isn't a combination of traded options/stock/futures that can provide that and no downside unless the market falls more than 40%. You'd need to buy a put spread that covered the 40% drop over 5 years, which is almost the same as just buying an ATM put and very expensive. Then buy a call spread to 125% of the market, also very expensive. The market would have to go up 50% or more just to break even on that.
     
    #14     Jul 21, 2020
  5. Thor

    Thor

    It can be done with a combination of options which need to be rolled over every year.

    Still doesn't explain the "no management fees". Then what is he getting out of it?
     
    #15     Jul 21, 2020
  6. Sig

    Sig

    How? You don't "roll over" an option. You pay for it and the time value of what you paid goes to zero at the point it expires and you pay for it again with a new option. There's no way you can eat that loss of time value over and over and not lose huge amounts of money. If that wasn't the case then you'd be a billionaire.
     
    #16     Jul 21, 2020
  7. Sounds like index linked gic but the vocabulary used does sound shady. There are always management fees.
     
    #17     Jul 22, 2020
  8. JSOP

    JSOP

    Why don't you and him (I assume it's a him) visit 10 minutes by phone to find out more? He's not going to come out of the phone to point a gun at your head to force you to give him the money. You will know the strategy for sure and it will save us all the speculation and guesswork. And if it's really a scam, you will have something concrete to report to the authorities.

    Have fun and keep us posted!
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2020
    #18     Jul 22, 2020
  9. AbbotAle

    AbbotAle

    No management fee probably means it's baked into the structrued product so you'll never know how much it is, which is just the way the seller likes it...

    My bet it would be around 10% and that's of course risk free for the seller regardless of what the products return will be, which again I'd assume won't be nearly as much as you think, or the product makes you think.
     
    #19     Jul 22, 2020
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Just so long as they don't wind up being interviewed for a future American Greed episode! :)
     
    #20     Jul 22, 2020