So, does the market predict economic downturns, or cause it?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Saltynuts, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. Paul Samuelson was a keysian hack... But yes the market is forward looking. Leading indicator of market sentiment... Look at how many people on here have completely switched to bearish because of a correction... Many of you guys have a backward looking view for sure haha..
     
    #11     Feb 12, 2018
  2. jinxu

    jinxu

    That is actually still good. If you can't understand why that's on you:

     
    #12     Feb 12, 2018
  3. qxr1011

    qxr1011

    i think neither

    market just coincides with the economy
     
    #13     Feb 12, 2018
  4. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    I appreciate where you're coming from, but the interpretation you're citing is incorrect itself. Taking a Weiner process from a Brownian motion (random walk) underlayment, implies a 50|50 split between some movement up, and some movement down. It remains a pretty fair representation of a market price path.

    A recession, however, is a wholly different kettle of fish -- to which the CNBC cite wrongly seeks to draw equivalencies. You are talking about output, not prices; you are talking about a movement biased by construction downward, not one where, on any Next Draw, the Independent & Identically-Distributed assumptions would observe "Sorry, Sheriff! Can't tell up nor down!"

    Not to get nerdy, but Paul pwned CNBC a'priori.
     
    #14     Feb 12, 2018

  5. No, no, I long ago realized there is no holy grail leading indicator. What I was really wondering is whether one should even attempt to study/measure economy leading indicators - if essentially they are triggered by the market cratering, and nothing can predict that, then studying the economy leading indicators would be a complete waste of time. I suspect this is not the case (and most peeps in here, including yourself, seem to think this). Thanks!
     
    #15     Feb 12, 2018
  6. truetype

    truetype

    Pray tell, which of his books have you read, to inform your opinion?
     
    #16     Feb 12, 2018
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

     
    #17     Feb 12, 2018
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    According to NBER National Bureau of Economic Research the last recession "officially" began in Dec'07.

    SPX on monthly chart topped in Oct, closed down mid bar in Nov, a Doji in Dec then mostly lower lows thereafter till March '09 bottom. There is your answer - at least as far as last time is concerned. No advance indication.
     
    #18     Feb 20, 2018