Sniper Terrorism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by aphexcoil, Oct 16, 2002.

  1. In my opinion, I think this terrorism is more than just one insane white militant that has snapped. In my opinion, there is more information known than is being reported by the media. I don't think it is a far fetched idea to entertain the idea that this individual or individuals is part of a middle-eastern terrorist cell that is determined to attack the very life of workers and people in the DC metropolitan area.

    Unfortunately, the latest person killed was also someone who had successfully battled cancer. Apparently, she was also married in 1992, which would have made this year her ten year anniversary.

    This BS has got to stop. Our Maryland Governor has temporarily revoked the 2'nd amendment rights of people in a few counties. In my opinion, this is justified given the situation.

    A lot of people are concerned about a possible police-state occurring from this, but given the alternative, I'm not sure what is worse.

    Maybe I am barbaric, but if this is the work of middle-eastern terrorists, I think we should torture him, cut him into little pieces, bury him in the ground with loads of pork and send a message to the rest of the middle-east that we will not tolerate this any longer.

    I'm fed up with this BS. Nobody deserves to die needlessly. The death of a man's beloved wife is a strike against each of our lives and it could just have very easily been YOUR daughter or MY mother.
  2. Its probably Charleton Heston...
  3. vvv


    or dubya practicing tactics:

    Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

    Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
    countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53,
    Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo
    Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala
    1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s,
    Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan
    and Yugoslavia 1999.

    Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a
    victory for the far right in national "elections."

    Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war
    against the Filipino Huk revolt.

    Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an
    independence rebellion in Ponce.

    Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the

    Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of
    democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah
    to power.

    Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the
    democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas
    in power.

    Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners
    after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

    Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of
    Lebanon during its civil war.

    Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.

    Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions
    failed to overthrow the Castro government.

    Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil
    war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

    Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot
    while protesting the United States presence in the
    Canal Zone.

    Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military

    Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a
    national election.

    Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.

    Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the
    Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

    Chile - 1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile, assassinated.

    Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible
    invasion into Iran.

    Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside
    during Laos' civil war.

    Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing
    President Allende who had been popularly elected. The
    CIA helped to establish a military regime under
    General Pinochet.

    Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an
    effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had
    been seized.

    El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers
    aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

    Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the
    Contra War against the Sandinistas.

    Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during
    Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American
    barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the

    Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases
    near the Honduran border.

    Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the
    Maurice Bishop government.

    Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian
    planes over the Persian Gulf.

    Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and
    around the capital city of Tripoli.

    Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the
    side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

    Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

    Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest
    among Virgin Island peoples.

    Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for
    government during coup.

    Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in
    overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama
    civilians were killed.

    Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during
    civil war.

    Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone"
    during civil war in Yugoslavia.

    Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a
    pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas
    components were manufactured.

    Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and
    other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets
    enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi
    targets since December 1998.

    and now, dubya pretending saddam has anything relevant to do with an effort at going after terrorism and it's causes:


    brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior:
    Don't Attack Saddam
    It would undermine our antiterror efforts
  4. The question remains, vvv, whether or not the civilised world should stoop down to the disgusting terror tactics that the USA uses or should the civilised world take the moral high ground ? I personally feel that the civilised world should take the moral high ground, rather than simply take revenge for US terrorism... who knows, perhaps such a strategy could have a Gandhian or Mandelan effect on the US policymakers.... until then, unfortunately, the world will continue to fall victim to US terrorism...
  5. cool vvv. that's a rather impressive record indeed. so what exactly is people's gripe with that?

    ( i think you forgot to mention iraq '91, and vietnam started in 50s?)
  6. vvv


    i'm always in favor of getting stated objectives that actually make sense being accomplished at the lowest possible cost in terms of potential fallout. i do believe that in the long term that can only be accomplished when morals are employed that are beyond reproach, equitable, and based on solid and transcendent human values, or, as you say, the moral high ground.

    solving the underlying problems and their causes, and not merely fiddling with symptoms, thinking long term, and not just to the end of, in democracies, rather short reigns where window dressing often rules supreme at the incredible costs we've witnessed too often.

    so, i am all in favor of messrs gandhi and mandelas modus operandi, maybe a spot of buddhism added in, and there we go.

    that would certainly beat the uncountable vicious cycles of attack and retaliation we've seen in so many spots of the world for such a very long time.

  7. vvv


    ah, a possible gripe might be that we have ourselves to blame for the hatred being targeted at ourselves, hatred that is finding forms of expression that unfortunately aren't merely verbal, hmm.

    cause and effect, so to speak.

    iraq 91, yes, well, not quite sure to what extent we brought that upon ourselves, as evidence isn't quite conclusive as to whether saddam informed the then us ambassador to baghdad of his invasion plans or not. we'll have to leave that to future historians down the road to determine.

    vietnam in the 50s, well, in 1954 the us offered military assistance to the french in their battle against ho chi minh and the viet minh.

    brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior:
    Don't Attack Saddam
    It would undermine our antiterror efforts
  8. I think its vvv shooting the gun, TigerO on lookout, and RS7 driving the van !

  9. vvv


  10. Of course! The clear solution to any threat is to cede freedom to the government.

    Now that a different regulation is in place, there is no doubt that the serial murderer committing these atrocities will see the value in obeying the law and will mend his ways. (Right? :confused: )

    And it only makes sense - what with all the 'recreational' shooting going on in urban Maryland parking lots, it must be hard to distinguish the sniper's shots amongst all the firing...

    If only we had been more enthusiastic about Sen. Feinstein's call for national anti-terror ID cards and internet censorship, this sniper would have been stopped in his tracks! But don't give up hope yet, the Military is now on the case (it works in lots of 3rd-world dictatorships, why not here?)
    #10     Oct 16, 2002