Smart trading: Picking no lose stocks

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Option Trader, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. jj90

    jj90

    Funny how a guy with a name like option trader is discussing value investing.
     
    #11     Apr 27, 2006
  2. IMO, credit spreads are the best option strategy if you almost know you've got a stock that can't go down; there is left two remaining possibilities (it goes up or stays still), and both are winners. Alternatively, that is the one time I would consider covered calls, if it is also a low priced stock (e.g. below $10-$15).
     
    #12     Apr 27, 2006
  3. jj90

    jj90

    OptionTrader, how do you feel about naked puts instead of CCs? Also, I'm curious to know what your opinion is on the ITM debit spread vs that OTM credit spread.
     
    #13     Apr 27, 2006
  4. cnms2

    cnms2

    JJ ... :) Tricky questions? Synthetical equivalents.
     
    #14     Apr 27, 2006
  5. jj90

    jj90

    Aw cn:D , you took the fun away.
     
    #15     Apr 28, 2006
  6. You can have fun answering your own tricking questions and doing some educating. I'm curious, I'm not too familiar with credit and debit spreads.
     
    #16     Apr 28, 2006
  7. cnms2

    cnms2

    Fair value equation:
    strike + call = underlying + put + cost_of_carry - dividend
    where: cost_of_carry = cash_flow * days/365 * interest rate

    strike, cost_of_carry, divident being constant, to compare strategies (pay-off) use:
    call = underlying + put

    covered_call = underlying - call = - put

    bull_vertical_spread = sell_higher_strike & buy_lower_strike
    bear_vertical_spread = buy_higher_strike & sell _lower_strike

    credit_spread = bull_put_spread or bear_call_spread
    debit_spread = bull_call_spread or bear_put_spread

    bull_put_spread = - put_hi_strike + put_lo_strike for credit
    bull_call_spread = - call_hi_strike + call_lo_strike for debit
     
    #17     Apr 28, 2006
  8. jj90

    jj90

    Hydro, the OTM credit = the ITM debit. The ITM credit = OTM debit. CCs = naked put. The OTM credit is similar to the ITM debit since the 'credit' you get back is the same as the premium that has to decay (if any) in the ITM debit. The risk profile is the same. My wording is bad, hope that made sense.
     
    #18     Apr 28, 2006
  9. picking no lose stocks is more of INVESTING

    not trading.

    trading is momentum

    investing is patience

    no lose stocks needs patience
     
    #19     Apr 28, 2006
  10. It would seem to me that would depend if it is a high or low volatility stock.
     
    #20     Apr 30, 2006