Sleep Can Often Be Elusive

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Frederick Foresight, Jul 12, 2025 at 8:27 AM.

  1. Arnie

    Arnie

    Im jealous. Mine was just now 140/70. Been averaging around 130/75. My cardio has me on a bp machine that uploads to my nurse
     
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  2. demoncore

    demoncore

    Yeah reduce your intake late in the day and make sure you go to the bathroom just before bed. The routine will help.
     
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    demoncore

  4. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Here is the quicky on melatonin, from my bad memory:

    Original research in the 90s was done by a university with 300 mcg (that is 0.3 mg). Since it is a naturally occuring hormone, you can't patent it, only the dosage. The body also makes it and if you keep taking it, the body will produce less.

    So anyhow, since it is almost impossible to overdose it, and other makers didn't want to pay the patent fees, they just started to make bigger dose like 1-2-3-5-20 mg. It is also dirt cheap to make, so if a costumer sees a 5 or 10 mg pill for 2 bucks more, using the more is better logic they are going to buy that. Bigger dose usually gives grogginess in the morning though.

    In the late 2010s the patent expired and now you can see more brands of 300 mcg pills, according to the original research. But yes it is true with melatonin, more is not always better. I usually buy the 1 mg and cut it in half.

    Melatonin history over...

    Now I have found a really good mostly natural supplement, with as little melatonin in it as it gets. It is called Somnapure' Sleep Aid. It has Valerian, Lemon Balm, Hops, Passion Flower, L-Theanine in it, beside 3 mg Melatonin. But that is 2 pills, so if you take 1 pill only your melatonin intake is 1.5 mg. It gives me an extra 2 hours and no grogginess.

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    For some people night peeing has to do with the sodium-potassium pump. Long story short, try to eat a banana (extra potassium) before bedtime and see if it positively effects your getting up through the night.
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2025 at 9:54 AM
  5. Some interesting info, thanks. But, as to the body producing less melatonin if you keep taking it:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=if+you+keep+taking+melatonin,+the+body+will+produce+less.&rlz=1C1RLNS_enCA983CA983&oq=if+you+keep+taking+melatonin,+the+body+will+produce+less.&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIKCAEQABiiBBiJBTIKCAIQABiABBiiBDIKCAMQABiABBiiBDIKCAQQABiABBiiBNIBCDcxNjNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2025 at 10:18 AM
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Hm, interesting. TIL.

    Here is the summary of a bunch of studies, also pretty interesting. As we age, the body produces less (older people sleep less, at least in my case).

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10053496/

    " One study found that actual melatonin content varied from 83% to 478% of the labeled content, with significant lot-to-lot variability, and 26% of the samples contained serotonin as a contaminant."

    Bottomline: If you find a brand and dosage that works for you, stick to it.
     
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  7. demoncore

    demoncore

    http://bit.ly/4mdkumD

    I've bought some.
     
  8. Correction: I meant to write that I'm guessing most people do NOT get that much in their daily diet.
     
  9. I have a banana early in the morning. But if I find that reduced fluids still don't prevent me from making multiple nightly bathroom visits, then I will consider another one before bedtime. Thing is I normally like to have my last bit of food a few hours before bedtime, so we'll see how it goes. Interesting idea, though.

    I'm fairly sure it's not my prostate since I had a physical last Tuesday, and was given the thumbs up. (At least I hope it was the thumb.)
     
  10. demoncore

    demoncore

    Yeah, we briefly discussed the feedback mechanism. Anyway, if your thyroid shits the bed you take T3/T4 for life, right? You don't think about it. I tell my kids to avoid melatonin but you're in your sixties so it's an asym-reward. Sleep is more important than the concern you're going to need to take it for life (IMO).
     
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