Skill Vs. Edge

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Purple Barney, Jul 5, 2007.

Edge VS skill

  1. An edge can be created through great skill

    34 vote(s)
    51.5%
  2. Edge has nothing to do with skill

    32 vote(s)
    48.5%
  1. malaka56

    malaka56

    Don't know what you trade. But the original argument was on edges in equities. In equities there have existed many small edges, many based on market structure and other weird things happening.

    Changing the argument to futures, I think the concept of edge changes more to a statistical advantage...
     
    #61     Jul 5, 2007
  2. first of all, skill is an ability.

    this thread is an interesting one, because there really are two fundamentally different approaches to this subject.

    our current educational structure teaches children early on that success is possible by all, by means of obtaining some edge. you can stumble onto this edge, buy this edge, etc. it also assumes that people are at same baseline ability. it is also societal, as talent and ability is no longer rewarded as seen in music, film, entertainment and arts.

    people tend to make "irrelevant" natural ability which manifests itself as superior skill. most will never achieve this level of skill, by definition makes it an edge.


     
    #62     Jul 5, 2007

  3. i cant argue with some people perhaps having a "gift". it's entirely possible, and even probable. however, this is the realm of metaphysics and once again irrelevant---- unless ofcourse,(we) can hire this person......:D :) :D
     
    #63     Jul 5, 2007
  4. the denial is deeply rooted early on.

     
    #64     Jul 5, 2007
  5. Dustin

    Dustin

    The best skill in trading is the ability to recognize when strategies start and stop working.

    Over the years I've developed about 10 profitable setups, but only a few work at any given time. Last week I cut size on my main strategy of the past few months, and next week I will be implementing a brand new one that has been partially automated. My trade size and aggressiveness change weekly. That's where skill and edge collide.
     
    #65     Jul 5, 2007
  6. If you believe in the idea that 95% of the people fail in the market. Then why do the other 5% succeed?

    Behavior patterns are bell shaped given a situation. Meaning most people will behave the same way when given a certain situation. A small percentage of the populace will behave very different from the norm.

    So basically all financial markets become a construct of behavior patterns of 95% of the people. The 5% fades the other 95%. Thats why large firms or CFTC that has access to data or exchanges or another independent body that has numbers more detailed then your COT report.

    On any given day, if 95% of the people are failing, and you have access to the data of what the other 5% are doing. Then you have a edge.

    When faced with a given price action, you have to ask yourself is this what everyone else is doing?

    95% of the people will

    1) let losses escalate
    2) will take small profits
    3) overleverage (trying to gamble)
    4) fear is realized too late (sell bottoms)
    5) greed is realized too late (buy tops)
    6) will countertrade instead of front running intraday price moves
     
    #66     Jul 5, 2007
  7. You don't necissarily have to have a gift, or even have exeptional skill. Above average skill is enough to create an edge. As long as you have above average skill/experience, you have an edge over those with average to below average skill, which by definition is the majority of the people. Also, having something the majority doesn't is, by definition, an edge.
     
    #67     Jul 6, 2007