Six Iranians arrested for dancing to promote islam

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Max E., May 21, 2014.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Is God powerful enough to give a right that He couldn't take away?
     
    #191     Jun 27, 2014
  2. "There's nothing you can do that can't be done."
    -- John Lennon
     
    #192     Jun 27, 2014
  3. jem

    jem

    you seem to be trying to protect stu with non sequitors the way you try and protect failed leftist concepts with the ricter riddle.

    however since i am a sucker for philosophy.... to answer your question... if you are omnipotent you can do whatever you wish. You can change the parameters of the universe or change the history of the universe or change memory.

    sort of like rewinding in a universe governed by hawkings speculative idea of top down cosmology.

    in short you can't trap an omnipotent being with philosophical conundrums.




     
    #193     Jun 27, 2014
  4. Wrong again STUpid! :D But when aren't you wrong?

    Screw your draft. In the FINAL, SIGNED version "God" and "Creator" are BOTH capitalized :p

    High-Resolution Declaration Image (1.43 MB)
    This image is of the actual Declaration of Independence parchment.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/charters_downloads.html
     
    #194     Jun 27, 2014
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    So stu is correct, God can create rights that are inalienable, i.e. rights that even He cannot take away.
     
    #195     Jun 27, 2014
  6. Irrelevant, troll. If you look at the Declaration IN CONTEXT, the obvious interpretation of what the founders wrote is that our rights are God given and thus no MAN can take them away.
     
    #196     Jun 27, 2014
  7. jem

    jem

    Stu said Natural Law is inconsistent with a Creator... which is stu pid.
    Stu did not say that natural laws could be inconsistent with a creator.

    A Creator could say let there be light and then cause the the speed of light to be a constant.
    That there is a constant law is not inconsistent with a Creator. In fact the apparent fine tunings of our universes fundamental phyisical laws are used by some top physicists to suggest they are evidence of a Creator.
    (They may not be proof but they are evidence and they are certainly not inconsistent with a Creator.

    The same is true of Natural Laws. The idea we should be free from slavery (which is also income tax imo) could easily be a Natural law endowed by a Creator.
    Of course a Creator could make laws.

    In summary.
    Lets say there is a Natural Law that says we people should be free from slavery.
    Why could a Creator have not instituted that law?




     
    #197     Jun 27, 2014
  8. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Was he overweight, under applied, and living in a trailer?
     
    #198     Jun 27, 2014
  9. Really what is the big question is if the god is omnipotent, and know everything, and have love, that god can create all people with goodness, and that god can create earth with humans to have no poverty and disease and the crime. Really I think it is so stupid to believe in this god. Why if the god know everything, does the god create the problems? The god have control of the past,present, future.
     
    #199     Jun 27, 2014
  10. Inalienable rights? It's an oximoron Stu. A pipe dream that we're all still smoking.

    Are you saying the right to life- food, water, sex etc. is really inalienable?
    If someone chops your head off, wouldn't you have to agree that those rights have been taken away, and therefor they were never inalienable?

    If you get locked up in jail, hasn't your right to Liberty been alienated?


    So to recap, inalienable rights are a whimsical poof of fairytale dust- that is a self-evident fact we can be sure of.

    An omnipotent being that has the power to give and take away fairytale farts, well, we can't really say for sure about that one, Can we?

    Are you sure you're not swimming in the clown pool, drinking it's waters while warming it up for the rest of us? lol
     
    #200     Jun 28, 2014