Six Iranians arrested for dancing to promote islam

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Max E., May 21, 2014.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Hey, look everyone! The overweight roofer had his internet service turned back on! Welcome back, Peter! I'm not sure you're qualified to mention "school" of any sort.

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    #181     Jun 27, 2014
  2. Yes, the dull-normal overweight roofer :D
     
    #182     Jun 27, 2014
  3. My dad was a roofer.... shows what kind of stock I come from!

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    #183     Jun 27, 2014
  4. stu

    stu

    Funny how that's all you can see, when they wrote down in their own hand nature's god :p
     
    #184     Jun 27, 2014
  5. stu

    stu

    No kidding :D


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    #185     Jun 27, 2014
  6. stu

    stu

    Hey, maybe they were! When they didn't insert the word "God" but did insert the words "their creator" into the text instead , you have to seriously doubt they were talking about the G word.

    No, really they can't. Not by any rational argument.

    Inalienable rights are supposed to be universal, unchanging, self-evident, not subject to forfeiture, not transferable.
    God changes all the time. Even the catholic god's rights don't even match the protestant god's rights, nor the muslims god's rights, and they alter throughout history.

    If they could be god-given then someone else's god could also give them, rather than yours!

    That's fair comment and there must be a lot of truth to it. However where I disagree is to do with a point Jem raised, albeit through one of his his usual ignorant mistaken self-defeating posts.

    Using just the word "Creator" the way you do mis-allocates meaning. It is not even in terms the Declaration uses and certainly not wording the founders wrote down. Using proper nouns where common nouns were made, matters in writing. It is the way meaning is conveyed. Making a difference between "Creator"/your God , and "their creator"/the founders god, and "their creator"/as nature, and no god at all.

    "their creator" arrests the religious wrapped up in ideology from assuming a privilege of ownership they often consider themselves entitled to, when assuming everyone else is obliged to accept their insane beliefs.

    But you are absolutely right. The founders keen for freedom, with Jefferson seeing himself as ... a warm zealot for the attainment of liberty... did not give certain name to God. Not to alienate, but inclusive, right up to not God.

    Again you make the point.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident...". The point being these truths had to be identified by man. Not by any God. The right to hold true, certain values, even when any God is being evil or just wrong.

    Will you now wander toward the clown pool the way Tsing Tao seems to have?
     
    #186     Jun 27, 2014
  7. Keep digging, troll :D

    "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
    www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
     
    #187     Jun 27, 2014
  8. The above is just as STUpid :D

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    #188     Jun 27, 2014
  9. Except they did insert the word "God" and in the very first sentence. And the word "Creator" in the sentence right after that. But keep up your hilarious compulsive lying and denial :D


    "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
     
    #189     Jun 27, 2014
  10. jem

    jem

    so according to Stu when the founders wrote "Natures' God" they did not write the word God.

    the lengths a troll will go to deny that some of the founders were believers.
    stu exhibits some sort rabid atheists split with reality on the subject.
     
    #190     Jun 27, 2014