STUpid made a total fool out of himself (yet again) and is trying to troll his way out of it. On the "God" part, STUpid wrote: Had founders intended to mean God they would have surely used the word God. They do not use the word God either in the Declaration or Constitution. http://www.elitetrader.com/vB/showthread.php?p=3986522#post3986522 Of course, Jem and I called him on it because the word "God" is in the very first sentence of the Declaration of Independence. So that's just STUpid's desperate and feeble attempt to save face. The "Creator" part is a bit more nuanced but similar.
Well I'd say you'd need to have followed a bit closely for context, which I admit is like swimming in syrup getting past the dross Jem and that other goof...what's his name... dump in here. Which is mainly them trying to deflect the issue as obviously they can't handle the connotations associated with it. Namely the position that inalienable rights cannot be God given. Put another way, why did the founders as intellectuals, first not include any of those words as they wrote the Declaration documents, but then later, not use the word God, but choose the words "their creator" and "nature's god" instead? Incidentally nature's god is a Deist's god, which is basically not considered a God at all. Then eventually they became "their Creator" and "Nature's God. Which then magically morphs in the mind of the religiously ridiculous into "God" They most certainly would not be oblivious to the essential quality of inalienable rights, in essence being incapable of repudiation, transfer, and not given or taken away by any King, Government or God. I've given reason, but of course as defenders of blind ignorant religious faith, like a couple of Ayatollahs, that's not what Jem and wotsitsname want.
this is how the troll operates... he claims he found a draft of the declaration of independence on the net somewhere that did not have the word creator or god in it... and now he pretends somehow the drafters threw God in later and in some manner that makes Stu's previous lies OK. here is a site which discuses the some of the drafts and even discusses Jeffersons and Adams different take on how the drafting job fell to Jefferson. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents...e-declaration-of-independence-july-4-1776.php here is another rough draft... http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/rough-draft-of-the-declaration-of-independence/ here is a another link... http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/compare.htm comparing 3 versions... Stu man you need to get a life and stop lying. Just because some of the founders believed in God does have to be offensive... even to a rabid atheist like you. Your being an atheist does not bother me in the least. You have that right. Its your consistent lying that is the sick thing.
Yeah yeah. Everything you don't understand you think is a lie. Of course it's nothing to do with religious belief. That's my whole point. Yet you're the one quoting the bible and shouting atheist. Although I should thank you for the compliment. "Natural rights are those not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government,.." That's what you posted and what you won't face, only because of your blindsiding religious confusions . Even a Cardinal from your own superstitious persuasion explained that much to you, so you ignore it also. It doesn't matter what you believe, natural law is inconsistent with any God. Though ironically the reason you can't argue substance properly or rationally is due entirely to those religious beliefs. Dodging the issue by calling upon the Declaration when it, nor the Constitution, uses the word "God" without qualification in a way which leaves meaning open to anything a person says it is, or isn't , is because you still can't actually deal with the issue that inalienable rights would not be any such thing were they based upon one. Truly telling is how little reference there is to anything religious considering the number of theist zealots there must have been pushing their godforsaken christian faith at everyone and everything . And here, instead of your usual reaction to shout liar like a moron you could have found this if you were being in any way balanced about the subject, instead of always choking yourself swallowing everything which fits your weird prejudices. "natural god" & "their creator". Not capitalized. That comes later when the "Christians" print it up. Now off you go and play in the mud your new fellow fuckwit friend has been so busy digging for you both.
Republicans can't win by way of votes , so they want to change the Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- INDIANAPOLIS (AP) â A small but determined group of state lawmakers from some 30 states gathered in Indiana Thursday to lay the groundwork for something that has not happened since 1787 in Philadelphia: a convention to revise the U.S. Constitution. Most of the delegates to this week's sessions are Republicans who want to bypass Congress because they do not believe the document can be changed through the federal government. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/12/revise-constitution_n_5490181.html
wow are you a twisted troll... so there you have what appears to me to be the rough draft with Adams' correction and you see natural law sitting next to what? You want to call it a A Deist God. (why we would limit their God to a certain type of God seems illogical for the point of this argument... but I will go with it for your sake.) Well that version is pretty cool too... the Creator set things in motion and then stepped back. Now how the hell could such a Creator be inconsistent with Natural Law. Your argument is complete troll nonsense. (and how the heck do you know when and why it was capitalized.) natural laws of the universe... such as the fine tunings set in place by a Creator would not be capitalized but to be pious... the founders who contributed to the Declaration of Independence... did capitalize the words.