%% Partial truth, Mr GrulMRN; but are you saying you like ''poverty+ gospel??''LOL. And frankly that is why they had part of thier wealth in cattle, sheep, goats, silver + gold...... As far as you being a travel agent for a free guilt trip =NO thanks. If you think you or your family did the Indians wrong, well give some of yours to them. I bow hunted with an Indian for many year he never whined about Andrew Jackson+ your kind of''attempted free guilt trip'' And like you asked that other trader ''you have trouble taking a loss, when you are wrong?? Thanks for the question
Not quite sure what you are trying to say, I just stated simple facts of history to make a point that we should be careful what we call our own and the perceived importance of property.
%% Well you most likely understand the wealth part ; back then ,in cattle, sheep, gold.......[Abraham] [2] You say you don't understand why i don't want to receive ''what a travel agent for a free guilt trip is??'' [''your forefathers stole from the Indians'' unquote+ context] [3] I told you i bowhunted with an Indian for years; so i see you understand what you want to understand. Thanks for your comment.His mother was 100% Cherokee Indian , he was 50% Indian.You understand that he [Indian bowhunter]never whined about Andrew Jackson or ''victim nonsense''??
Nevermind, I did not expect my comment to be misinterpreted. I thought it was clear due to historical facts and context. Abraham did not steal his wealth from someone else and even if he did the Bible is full of stories of people who are sinners and do wrong by God's standards, that is the entire point of the message of the Bible, of condemnation, repentance and salvation. It does not mean we can live a deceitful life and claim we are covered by forgiveness. My main point, however, was that it's pretty rich to rant about the taxation and questioning of private property when it is the exact same property we stole from under the noses of the original owners. Hypocritical if you want...
IF the so called stealing [200 years ago LOL]from the Indians bothers you so much --do something about it. BUT don't try to guilt trip me over it; especially since I had an Indian hunt buddy + he never whined like you do about that 200 year old victim nonsense. Good points on Bible , salvation repentance; thanks. So with an Indian friend who simply moved on from 200 year ancient history, me also. And they owned some nice real estate/clear title; nor did they worry about which tribe had it 200 years ago. His good looking Indian mom never worried about what you did, with all due respect. LOL.
Right and because one victim moved on the crime never happened. Did those whose land was stolen ever received proper and full reparations? To be honest, my and your opinions don't actually matter in this at all. Truth does not care about feelings. I am not invested in this at all, I simply pointed out facts and truth. Why do you think there is a crisis in the Middle East. Because two cultures and nations battle over land they both claim belonged to them. That Indians shut up and to a large degree rather embrace crystal meth and casinos and alcohol than fighting what was righteous theirs does not change truth and facts of misappropriation.
We tend to celebrate things we're proud of ... regardless of how old they are: Independence Day, Dead Presidents, etc. We tend to minimize our evilness: slavery, wiping out American Indians for their land, etc. The fact that murder and theft and slavery happened hundreds of years ago doesn't make it disappear. Just like 1776 hasn't disappeared from our collective memories and culture. Nor does time erase or stop the damages. A marathon runner tripped by another racer at the start will never regain that potential, no matter how long the race is. So despite the passage of time, the effects of that early evil live on. The recourse in football for some penalties is to place the victim team in a position they would have been, likely, but for the interference--and sometimes to a greater degree (in order to penalize the charged team). Yet, this concept of making whole is always frowned upon by a certain segment of the population when applying it to a harmed people. You can't make another feel guilty, if they already know the facts. There's a certain human quality that's missing from evil dictators to the bully in kindergarten. Some folks have empathy; some don't. Another can't will it into them. The best one can do is convince them it's in their best interest to act--even though they don't want to--as though they care. That won't happen via a message board. And even if it did, I doubt they'd ever admit it. If a prior generation screwed up the planet (nuclear waste, plastics in the oceans, high CO2, etc.) to the extent that it'll be uninhabitable in a couple hundred years; should future generations work to fix the problems, or should they say "... forget about it, it happened 200 years ago LOL ... and I'll be dead before it comes to an end... LOL." __________________ "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
can't agree more with you. We can't lay the blame on individuals who were not partakers in wrongdoing. But blissful ignorance usually flies in the face of those who always look what is best for themselves and would never consider how those who were harmed can also live a quality life. A good example is reparations paid to Jews not just by the then generation of Germans but by their offspring as well. Until today Germany tries its utmost best to make whole on things that can't themselves be fixed or made unhappen but there is an attitude even among the current generation that honors those who fought fascism and that attempts to oppose racism and in particular antisemitism.
Exactly. Yet, again, there's that ... certain segment ... of Germans that want everyone to forget about what happened ... and 'move on.' _______________ "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
There are ignorant people in every culture. What matters is the overall stance in society and what the accepted norms are is what a society and culture is measured against. When a culture celebrates the tea party every year and independence from England but at the same time ignores and forgets who fed the first settlers when they were in need of food and the providers subsequently got systematic slaughtered, disenfranchised, and wiped off the map and nobody remembers that nor acknowledges the vast atrocities then that is a problem. A society is not defined by what it's historians recall but how broad society conducts itself regarding past events in our cultures