Simple sell rules to protect against disaster in financial markets

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Market_Observer, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Didn't watch the video but what I saw was a car stopped halfway in the highway and the guy was hanging around there. The analogy there would be your position goes against you in a big way and you just stay in it hoping it turns around. Good way to lose money. The only hope I have is that my profits get bigger. I do use stops, but that's only so I don't need to constantly look at screens. I get frustrated when stops get hit, because it (usually) outlines an error in my analysis but I know there is another move coming.
     
    #11     Dec 11, 2021
  2. Handle123

    Handle123

    Learn to hedge, study topping patterns on weeklies then dailies. No need to lose money on huge retracements or changes of trend.
     
    #12     Dec 11, 2021
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  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Alibaba2.jpg Forget MA's already. Real support and resistance is where price actually (what a concept) traded:
     
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    #13     Dec 11, 2021
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  4. %%
    MOST likely, no, with all data.
    but i like it anyway. WHY??
    Because SPY spent about 10[ten years] in a sideWays trend, so 10 years is long enough for me /LOL:D:DYOU dont need stops on ETFs, with single stocks could get killed.
    Short [polar bears trends]are much different + rare compared to TX longhorn bulls, bull elephants, elephant herds, bull buffaloWs, bull snakes, bull elks.
    Also that's nonsense claiming polar bears are decreasing 'cause of climate change.NRA data proves otherwise....................................................................................
     
    #14     Dec 11, 2021
  5. tomorton

    tomorton

    I like rules of this kind but I think yours concerning the 50 and the 200 are too relaxed for a trader and too tight for an investor.

    Why would an investor look at the 50? Why would a trader look at the 200?

    In general I always close if price closes below the 50, then sit back and re-assess.
     
    #15     Dec 11, 2021
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  6. Sell rules alone do not form a complete trading system. One needs to have buy rules, sell rules plus position sizing for meaningful backtesting.

    If one were to backtest sell rules alone, it's not going to work.

    These rules were written more to protect the newbie investors/traders who tend to follow others without doing a lot of due diligence. I have a personal blog. This post was meant for readers who blindly follow.

    A disciplined cut-loss rule approach will save them from a disaster in a bear market.
     
    #16     Dec 12, 2021
  7. traider

    traider

    Well if the sell rule is just an arbitrary stop loss with no positive expectancy then it's also like a sort of coin flip. Only a form of risk control
     
    #17     Dec 12, 2021
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  8. Yes. A form of risk control against financial disaster. Better than none.
     
    #18     Dec 12, 2021
  9. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    You might want to test my simple swing trading strategy rule, it's produced my biggest wins.

    I simply look for uptrending stocks, like F, and scale in at 2day highs, scale out at 2day lows. I usually start with small starter positions of just 100 shares, then either martingale or add incrementally, depending on price action.

    And I usually sell gaps up, if they drop premkt, or fail to continue higher, eg I sold KOLD for good profit at 13.1 area.
     
    #19     Dec 12, 2021
  10. Since it doesn't work for 17.5 hours out of every trading day or at all on the weekends, even "better than none" is a dubious claim. If you were short any significant amount of Gateway when it jumped to almost 275x its previous value, or long Zynga before its 40% earnings drop, you'd still be trying to make up those losses. Much worse than that, you'd be kicking yourself twice - both for stopping out at the worst price and for not still being in when it recovered. In a situation that calls for a laser scalpel, stops are a stone axe.

    Again: stops are perfectly fine for day-trading stocks and futures. But for investors, particularly in single names, they're worse than useless because they induce a false belief in safety where there isn't any.
     
    #20     Dec 12, 2021