Shutdown II... the Death Blow

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Snarkhund, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Demonstrating how different the COVID response is in New Zealand and why it is so disastrous in the U.S. New Zealand takes COVID seriously and has reduced cases to zero. Their economy is now open, schools are open, businesses are open.... New Zealand is an example of a successful COVID response.

    New Zealand Health Official Resigns Over Two Covid-19 Cases Imported From Britain
    https://gizmodo.com/new-zealand-health-official-resigns-over-two-covid-19-c-1844243318

    New Zealand’s top health official stepped down on Thursday following a relatively minor scandal that shows the enormous difference in how the U.S. and other wealthy countries are dealing with the covid-19 pandemic.


    New Zealand’s health minister, Dr. David Clark, announced his resignation after he mistakenly allowed two visitors from Britain—women who later tested positive for covid-19—to travel within the country to attend a funeral last month. By contrast, no one in the Trump administration has resigned or been fired for the American government’s repeated failures to control the worst coronavirus outbreak in the world.

    “It has become increasingly clear to me that my continuation in the role is distracting from the government’s overall response to covid-19 and the global pandemic,” Clark said at a press conference in Wellington that was livestreamed on YouTube.

    Two British sisters in their 30s and 40s landed in New Zealand in early June to visit a sick parent and were in the country’s 14-day quarantine—now required for all international visitors—when that parent died. The travelers applied for a special exemption to get out of quarantine and attend the funeral, which was granted by the Health Department before they could be tested for covid-19. When they eventually got sick and tested positive after the funeral, the lack of proper oversight turned into a national scandal in New Zealand.

    New Zealand has identified just 1,530 cases and 22 deaths from covid-19 and has now eradicated the disease, according to the Johns Hopkins University coronavirus tracker, while the U.S. has seen over 2.86 million cases and more than 128,000 deaths. The U.S. recorded over 50,000 cases yesterday alone, a new record, according to the Covid-19 Tracking Project.

    Depressingly, the only people who have lost their jobs at the federal and state level during the coronavirus crisis in the U.S. have been whistleblowers like vaccine expert Dr. Richard Bright at the Department of Health and Human Services and data scientist Rebekah Jones who worked for the state of Florida.

    Bright told Congress he was forced out after not sufficiently promoting a drug called hydroxychloroquine that President Donald Trump had touted as a miracle to treat covid-19. Studies have shown that hydroxychloroquine may actually cause higher death rates in people with the new coronavirus. And Jones, who worked on Florida’s online coronavirus dashboard, says she was pushed out after refusing to manipulate public data in order to make the Florida pandemic look better than it actually was, according to an interview she gave NPR this week.

    (More at above url)
     
    #131     Jul 2, 2020
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

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    Deaths by cause. All Deaths Matter!!
     
    #132     Jul 2, 2020
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    True, not every single one of us will get it. That's a statistical impossibility, but thank you for being overly literal again.

    Choices:

    Hide inside, close all business and destroy way of life (until election when virus impact will suddenly be less potent)

    Go about normal life, taking precautions, isolating those at risk.

    Yeah, no choice. Enjoy life in the closet in Canada.
     
    #133     Jul 2, 2020
  4. jem

    jem

    Yes... shutdown the borders and have 14 day quarantine.

    If we did that CA might have avoided regressing back into shutdown after just a few weeks.

    Its like they planned to sabotage our recovery.

     
    #134     Jul 2, 2020
  5. Is that in 3 months time?
     
    #135     Jul 2, 2020
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    the borders have been shut down for months
     
    #136     Jul 2, 2020
  7. jem

    jem

    you are a mushroom on this subject...

    you are so wrong even the New York times had to write this to spin it.
    In reality there are many non Americans crossing over with Covid too.

    So after spinning it as Americans and green card holders they save some truth for last....


    Asylum seekers and other migrants have been barred from entering the United States since March, when President Trump closed the border to all but essential travel. But many among the 275,000 Americans and green card holders who live in Baja California, including retirees and working adults, continue to travel back and forth.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/coronavirus-border-mexico-california-el-centro.html

     
    #137     Jul 2, 2020
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    this has been known since the border shutdown. You've been out here arguing how Mexicans tourists and others are being let back in.
     
    #138     Jul 2, 2020
  9. RRY16

    RRY16

    Imperial County- Farm workers is a big problem, close sleeping and bus qtrs. Stop with your illegal immigrant propaganda.
     
    #139     Jul 2, 2020
  10. jem

    jem

    1. were you just lying when yet you just told us
    "the borders have been shut down for months"


    2. I just searched not only did I not make that argument....
    I have not used the word tourists in over 2 years..
    I stated that our border policy is sabotaging our Covid policy...
    and now the increase in cases is being used as a reason to shutdown again.

    I don't really care its tourists or not.
    If we choose to be humanitarians great I am in favor... but lets do it safely
    and not count infections as a reason for lock down.


     
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2020
    #140     Jul 2, 2020