Shroud Of Turin Determined From Time Of Jesus

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pspr, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. pspr

    pspr

    Experiments conducted by scientists at the University of Padua in northern Italy have dated the shroud to ancient times, a few centuries before and after the life of Christ.

    Many Catholics believe that the 14ft-long linen cloth, which bears the imprint of the face and body of a bearded man, was used to bury Christ's body when he was lifted down from the cross after being crucified 2,000 years ago.

    The analysis is published in a new book, "Il Mistero della Sindone" or The Mystery of the Shroud, by Giulio Fanti, a professor of mechanical and thermal measurement at Padua University, and Saverio Gaeta, a journalist.

    The tests will revive the debate about the true origins of one of Christianity's most prized but mysterious relics and are likely to be hotly contested by sceptics.

    Scientists, including Prof Fanti, used infra-red light and spectroscopy – the measurement of radiation intensity through wavelengths – to analyse fibres from the shroud, which is kept in a special climate-controlled case in Turin.

    The tests dated the age of the shroud to between 300 BC and 400AD.

    The experiments were carried out on fibres taken from the Shroud during a previous study, in 1988, when they were subjected to carbon-14 dating.

    Those tests, conducted by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona, appeared to back up the theory that the shroud was a clever medieval fake, suggesting that it dated from 1260 to 1390.

    But those results were in turn disputed on the basis that they may have been skewed by contamination by fibres from cloth that was used to repair the relic when it was damaged by fire in the Middle Ages.

    The mystery of the shroud has baffled people for centuries and has spawned not only religious devotion but also books, documentaries and conspiracy theories.

    The linen cloth appears to show the imprint of a man with long hair and a beard whose body bears wounds consistent with having been crucified.

    Each year it lures hundreds of thousands of faithful to Turin Cathedral, where it is kept in a specially designed, climate-controlled case.

    Scientists have never been able to explain how the image of a man's body, complete with nail wounds to his wrists and feet, pinpricks from thorns around his forehead and a spear wound to his chest, could have formed on the cloth.

    The Vatican has never said whether it believes the shroud to be authentic or not, although Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI once said that the enigmatic image imprinted on the cloth "reminds us always" of Christ's suffering.

    His newly-elected successor, Pope Francis, will provide an introduction when images of the shroud appear on television on Saturday, the day before Easter Sunday, which commemorates the resurrection.

    The Pope has recorded a voice-over introduction for the broadcast on RAI, the state television channel.

    "It will be a message of intense spiritual scope, charged with positivity, which will help (people) never to lose hope," said Cesare Nosiglia, the Archbishop of Turin, who also has the title "pontifical custodian of the shroud".

    "The display of the shroud on a day as special as Holy Saturday means that it represents a very important testimony to the Passion and the resurrection of the Lord," he said.

    For the first time, an app has been created to enable people to explore the holy relic in detail on their smart phones and tablets.

    The app, sanctioned by the Catholic Church and called "Shroud 2.0", features high definition photographs of the cloth and enables users to see details that would otherwise be invisible to the naked eye.

    "For the first time in history the most detailed image of the shroud ever achieved becomes available to the whole world, thanks to a streaming system which allows a close-up view of the cloth. Each detail of the cloth can be magnified and visualised in a way which would otherwise not be possible," Haltadefinizione, the makers of the app, said.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...8/Turin-Shroud-is-not-a-medieval-forgery.html
     
  2. Be careful this dangerously skirts the stu bots "keywords".
     
  3. pspr

    pspr

    Even stu can't deny that Jesus was a living, breathing person.
     
  4. Your naive. If he thought it would upset you I'm 95% certain that's exactly what he would claim.
     
  5. pspr

    pspr

    LOL What a wonderful life he must have if that's the case.
     
  6. LEAPup

    LEAPup

    The evidence is all around documenting the life of Jesus.
     
  7. jem

    jem

    The image on the shroud is amazing. No one can explain how it got there. The image itself is reason to take the shroud very seriously.

    Now they have dated back to the time of Jesus.
    That is pretty cool.



     
  8. The piece originally tested was a repair piece done by something called 'French weaving" where the damaged threads are undone and rewoven thread by thread into the repair piece, leaving no seam.

    I would also like to see them test the Sudarium, currently in Spain, for completeness.

    We approach Easter. The lessons in the New Testament are not only what was taught, but lessons by example in the conduct of Christ.

    Minus the miracles, there is a choice (free will) of what to do with them.

    There are at least 4 groups
    1) Don't believe.
    2) Believe and try to emulate
    3) Believe but don't try to emulate
    4) Believe and oppose emulating.

    That is a 4 lane highway. But while the Path is wide, the Way is narrow...

    Which lane are you in? (rhetorical question). :D
     
  9. pspr

    pspr

    Yes the repairs and the smoke damage invalidated some previous tests.

    There was also a pollen species examination of the cloth that determined it had been in the area of Jesus' crucifixion at some time.

    And it is just incredible that the method used to imprint the image cannot be ascertained nor duplicated by scientists.
     
  10. stu

    stu

    Yeah I can.
     
    #10     Mar 28, 2013