Should Trump Pardon Obama?

achilles28 · Mar 5, 2017

Snarkhund said:

Here are the problematic aspects of the Obama surveillance on Trump’s team. First, it is not apparent FISA could ever be invoked. Second, it is possible Obama’s team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by withholding material information essential to the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance. Third, it could be that Obama’s team illegally disseminated and disclosed FISA information in direct violation of the statute precisely prohibiting such dissemination and disclosure. FISA prohibits, under criminal penalty, Obama’s team from doing any of the three.

At the outset, the NSA should have never been involved in a domestic US election. Investigating the election, or any hacking of the DNC or the phishing of Podesta’s emails, would not be a FISA matter. It does not fit the definition of war sabotage or a “grave” “hostile” war-like attack on the United States, as constrictively covered by FISA. It is your run-of-the-mill hacking case covered by existing United States laws that require use of the regular departments of the FBI, Department of Justice, and Constitutionally Senate-appointed federal district court judges, and their appointed magistrates, not secretive, deferential FISA courts.

It is clear abuse of power and highly illegal.

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Sounds like you know your shit. Whats going on here.

Could you elaborate on the first three points in more detail? How they were violated? Coles notes?

Cuddles · Mar 5, 2017

achilles28 said:
If this turns out to be true, that Obama ordered the FISA wiretaps on Trump which yeilded no evidence of criminal activity, he's done.

Clearly a political smear campaign to bring down a political opponent in a representative democracy.

That's it for that cotton picker.

And I rarely use that term.

They want a war, they can have one.,
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And they're triggered when called racists

fhl · Mar 5, 2017

no pardons

java · Mar 6, 2017

Tony Stark said:
Sorry righties,nothing is going to take attention off of Trump colluding with an enemy government to win The Presidency.
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You mean he knew they were going to tell the truth about Hillary and didn't tell anybody?

fhl · Mar 6, 2017

It's going to feel like nov 9 all over again when this is done.

AAAintheBeltway · Mar 6, 2017

That feeling when you're bluffing with a short stack and Doyle goes all in.

AAAintheBeltway · Mar 6, 2017

AAAintheBeltway · Mar 6, 2017

fhl · Mar 7, 2017

Judicial Watch: Only Crimes in Russia Scandal Are from ‘Obama Gang’

Illegal leaks of information.

It's a crime. Trump didn't do it. The Obama gang did.

Scataphagos · Mar 7, 2017

I'm not a fan of any higher-up official, especially ex-POTUS, being pardoned with blithe indifference by the incoming president. If the outgoing politico has dirt on him, he should be held accountable.