The key phrase from your post that you forgot to expunge, tony From tony's quote: "however, Lincoln's precise role in making deals for votes remains unknown." The reason they added that little quote to the end of your paste is because they have no record of him doing anything to pass the ammendment. They have nothing at all but conjecture, which they attempt to turn into conventional wisdom, just like you do. Trump says he wanted a wall. Then when trump did nothing to get the wall in the budget, lefists like tony claim it was all a scam, he wasn't really going to build a wall, anyway. But when lincoln makes his speech, tony claims he's fighting for what he said even if there is no proof whatsoever he did anything at all to make it happen. Even the leftists are forced to admit in tiny little footnotes that there's no evidence lincoln did anything at all. But senators admitted. It was about low labor costs in the south. Not slavery. “A Plagiarist’s Contribution to Lincoln Idolatry“). The main theme of the movie is exactly the opposite of historical truth. The main theme is that Lincoln used his legendary political skills to help get the Thirteenth Amendment that ended slavery through the Congress. But if one reads the most authoritative biography of Lincoln, by Harvard’s David Donald, one learns that not only did Lincoln not lift a finger to help the genuine abolitionists; he literally refused to help them when they went up to him and asked him for his help. Lincoln did use his political skills to get an earlier, proposed Thirteenth Amendment through the House and Senate. It was called the Corwin Amendment, and would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering with Southern slavery. Even Doris Kearns-Goodwin writes about it in her book, Team of Rivals, discussing how the amendment, named after an Ohio congressman, was in reality the work of Abraham Lincoln." Read up on the Corwin Ammendment. He did try to get that passed. An ammendment which would prohibit any action interfering with slavery. ol abe history
It is true when the war started Lincoln fought it to keep the union together and not end slavery.As my history professor told our class,Lincoln was not the great emancipator,he became the great emancipator.Lincoln could have let the war end and readmitted the south without the 13th amendment. The north could have stopped fighting when Lincoln made ending slavery a goal.Lincoln even prolonged the war until 13th amendment passed because the south was ready to come back to the union sooner if slavery had stayed in place.The north could have rejected Lincoln and the ending of slavery because Lincoln stated his intention to end slavery permanently prior to his re election.
No,its because Lincoln was to smart to leave a paper trail or proof of himself bribing congressmen for their votes. "The greatest measure of the nineteenth century was passed by corruption, aided and abetted by the purest man in America"- Thaddeus Stevens Historians generally agree that the president issued broad instructions to Seward, who in turn hired a group of lobbyists from his home state of New York to approach potential apostates. It's highly implausible that Lincoln dealt directly with these men, or that he immersed himself in the details. He was too smart a politician to do that. But he did whip hard for the amendment. He visited a Democratic congressman whose brother had fallen in battle, to tell him that his kin "died to save the Republic from death by the slaveholders' rebellion. I wish you could see it to be your duty to vote for the Constitutional amendment ending slavery." That scene is true to history. Joshua Zeitz is the author ofLincoln’s Boys: John Hay, John Nicolay, and the War for Lincoln's Image. He has taught American history and politics at Cambridge University and Princeton University, and is currently writing a book on the making of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society.
Conjectural spin without evidence. And damning, too. Your saying that congress did not want to end slavery. They had to be bribed into it. Your northern congressmen.
The only ammendment that we have categorical proof that he actually worked on, and not just fancifully talked about, is the Corwin Ammendment. That's was an ammendment that would have prevented gov't from ever doing anything about southern slavery. The ammendment was the work of abe lincoln. fact
"The greatest measure of the nineteenth century (13th amendment)was passed by corruption, aided and abetted by the purest man in America"(Abraham Lincoln)- Thaddeus Stevens Historians generally agree that the president issued broad instructions to Seward, who in turn hired a group of lobbyists from his home state of New York to approach potential apostates. It's highly implausible that Lincoln dealt directly with these men, or that he immersed himself in the details. He was too smart a politician to do that. But he did whip hard for the amendment. He visited a Democratic congressman whose brother had fallen in battle, to tell him that his kin "died to save the Republic from death by the slaveholders' rebellion. I wish you could see it to be your duty to vote for the Constitutional amendment ending slavery." That scene is true to history. Joshua Zeitz - the author ofLincoln’s Boys: John Hay, John Nicolay, and the War for Lincoln's Image. He has taught American history and politics at Cambridge University and Princeton University, and is currently writing a book on the making of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society.
Why not Chelsea and Lee side by side. I'd just like to see us start acting like educated adults and recognize that these are statues and taking them down doesn't make the history vanish. And leaving them up might do some good to remind us of our history. Taking down all these statues I suppose is our version of the Taliban destroying the Buddhas of Bamiyan. If I recall we were mighty miffed about that.
The movie Lincoln 2012 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443272/ covers the whole topic of finding & using lobbyists pretty well. Freed the slaves...but invents lobbyists to do so.. what a Lincolon. 90 minutes of this 150 minute film was spent on the 13th Amendment they say. Review by kentuckybob (Louisville, KY) "I walked out of the theater wanting to go back in and see it again." You you can't trust a kentuckybob, who can you trust?