Should Confederate War Memorials/Statues Be Abolished?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by vanzandt, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Note that Michelle Obama is descended from slave owners. An inconvenient truth.
     
    #101     Aug 16, 2017
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  2. Do your own reading and study so that you will be able to see that the history of slave owning/trading among native groups is fact not opinion.

    If you are going to a "native american sweat lodge ceremony" in the U.S. it is most likely some new age white folks offering it with the obligatory guy claiming to be the spiritual descendent of Black Elk- but probably from the Bronx.
     
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    #102     Aug 16, 2017
  3. Interesting. Would the above woman be welcomed in a "alt-right" gathering ?

    This is why it is important to find out opinions out there : I'll have something to really discuss with
    the Native Americans.
     
    #103     Aug 16, 2017
  4. Who are your referring to. Michelle Obama or Sacajawea- both are above. Keep in mind that although I am an american I have no frigging idea what alt-right means nor is there any consistent agreement among americans what it means. The lefty press started by using it to mean very conservative and then incrementally uses it- successfully- to just mean non-liberals now. Now one knows what means, just that it is not good if you are being labeled that. So I dont want to even start down the road of explaining what alt-right would and would not do.
    http://www.colorlines.com/articles/‘-blood’-tackles-untold-legacy-slave-owning-cherokees


    You can be sure though that all native groups also had very conservative- not easily changed- customs, values, and social norms too- willing to fight to the death for them. Does that make them alt-right too?

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    #104     Aug 16, 2017
  5. I was thinking of Sacajawea : as she is a Native American.

    Ok. Michelle OBAMA : slave owner descent, as I am reading most slave owners who defend the benefits of slavery go on to join alt-right movements. What about her as well?
     
    #105     Aug 16, 2017
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    You mean her black ancestor was raped by a slave owner.
     
    #106     Aug 16, 2017
  7. American history seems to be very complexe indeed.
     
    #107     Aug 16, 2017
  8. What country are you from?
     
    #108     Aug 16, 2017
  9. Not giving details. But we do thank Americans - THEN , as may be Americans have changed - when our country was in real trouble many many many decades ago. :D :D :D
    One aunt still has photos of your soldiers then.
     
    #109     Aug 16, 2017

  10. Okay, and I dont really need details but the point that I was going to make is that Europeans often struggle to understand the American slavery issue but they should not stuggle too hard if they know their own history. After all. the american experience with slavery all began under the British and Spanish colonists yes? The British ended slavery before the Americans did so they get points for that but it does not make erase the fact that they and the Muslim Arabs were the premier slave traders in the world for a long time. Unfortunately, one of those two groups is still at it. There is more slavery in this world today than at any time in history. So if by chance you are British, then the key to understanding american slavery would be understanding your own history and how it infected the new world. Slavery between native Americans was already here. And the massive enslavement of native americans by the Russians occurred before we owned Alaska but it is part of American history even though most Americans never think about it in the lower 48.

    Canadians also had the same slavery involving native Americans but not so much with African slaves- mostly because they early history is more associated with France than Great Britain.
     
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    #110     Aug 16, 2017