shorting vs. being long

Discussion in 'Trading' started by traderich, Nov 24, 2005.

Is shorting a stock riskier than being long?

Poll closed Dec 4, 2005.
  1. YES IT IS!

    6 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. NO IT IS NOT!

    21 vote(s)
    77.8%
  1. I hope you mean buying puts, as selling them is akin to going long.
     
    #11     Nov 24, 2005
  2. this poll defines the phenomenon of a majority usually is wrong.
    intraday being short is maybe of equal risk but thanks to lady luck not all of us are daytraders....
    longer term being short is harder in a upward bias stock market where they make a sport of gunning for shorts and squeezing them as a daytime hobby.
     
    #12     Nov 24, 2005
  3. If long is wrong.. I don't want to be right$$$$


    100% up room to go with absolutely no risk thanks to Bushy,Greenie,Abbey,Joey Batts and my man Cramer is sooooo awesome $$
     
    #13     Nov 24, 2005
  4. GGSAE

    GGSAE

    For those of us who use a symetrical system there is not difference between going short or long. The same rules and methodologies are equally applied.
     
    #14     Nov 24, 2005
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    TraderRich;
    Think/agree long airlines in 03,04,05 is generally more risky;
    because airlines tend to be in a bear market.:cool: Did not vote in this poll.

    However have to agree heatedly with your co-worker;
    as a practical matter shorting a powerful uptrender like GOOG,
    is more risky. only in theory does it seem to be as safe.

    Hope this helps & when lending institutions sell collateral;
    you friend maybe also hinting of ''collateral damage'':D
     
    #15     Nov 25, 2005
  6. murray,

    Have to dis-agree with you. Shorting is no more risky than betting that heads will come up vs. tails on the flip of a coin.

    A stock may move up or down. Particular stocks may turn out to be very bad short candidates and some may be great ones.

    Most people tend to be long on stocks because, as I said before, 'most stocks "tend" to move higher in price over time.

    Maybe I can simplify my reasoning to you this way:

    Let's take FNM as one to discuss:

    It is currently trading at about $50/share. If I short the stock, I am hoping it will go down. How much, I don't know. Let's say I expect it to drop back down to say $46/share before I cover.

    Yes, there is a chance it could gap up and I could take a hit. Yes, it can move up a few pennies at a time and eventually hit a price of say $54.

    The argument that I could lose several times my initial investment of say $5000 (100 shares) is possible if I kept the short position open as FNM went from $50/share to $150/share. Yes, that is possible, and yes, the most I could gain from the short would be $50/share if FNM went to zero. Just because the stock going to $150 and also going to zero are two finite possibilites in the universe does not mean that my initial short position carry's significantly more risk. Especially if my price target is say a reasonable $46/share and not something obsurd like $0/share.

    Your reasoning is akin to saying that betting on a coin landing on heads is riskier because the total possibilities include : heads, tails, and its edge. And yes a coin landing on its edge is 1 in a billion, so if I said that heads and tails were exactly likely then I guess I would be as wrong as saying shorting is not riskier than being long a stock.

    I always find it amazing in the market that when a stock has finally hit its bottom, the short % is at or near its high point and vice versa. I thought you were suppose to short at the high and go long at the bottom? lmao.

    have a good weekend. see ya guys in the market on Monday.

    p.s. I had bought FNM at about 41.50 and sold off today for no particular reason. But, that does not mean I feel its a good short candidate either!

    GM, DRL, FBC, and FBR are still my long spots.
     
    #16     Nov 25, 2005