Short Housing

Discussion in 'Trading' started by topguntrader, Jul 17, 2002.

  1. rs7

    rs7

    I understand that a home should not be looked at as an investment. I agree. It is just that it seems an unusual time. I have only been in my house for 3 years. Because I have a mortgage (like most people), it is a leveraged "investment". I put down 10%, and now the value of the house has gone up so that my ROI (on my down payment) would be almost 600% (total for the 3 yrs). Hard to ignore, especially since I lost so much in my personal stock holdings.

    PS: Why do you hope for higher interest rates?
     
    #151     Jul 24, 2002
  2. High rates would smash the housing market, allowing me to go pick up one of the overpriced homes 500-750K homes for 50% or more below the current prices. I'd rather pay 3K/month on a 250K home than the same payment on a 600K home. Better risk/reward profile and avoid the potential negative net worth issues if you ask me.
     
    #152     Jul 24, 2002
  3. "100% Financing Available" -- Wells Fargo Home Mortgage.

    When they get to 110%, we might be near the top...;)

    Actually, now, all this reaching and stretching to get everyone bought is a sign of the weakness of the market, not it's strength.
     
    #153     Jul 24, 2002
  4. ddog

    ddog

    Thanks for the pm. When you have time could you look over my response? Thanks.

    "A couple of things to look for are avg time a listing is on the market, total units available for sale".

    It sound like you are watching this very closely. Have you seen any weakness in your area?
     
    #154     Jul 24, 2002
  5. rs7

    rs7

    When was the last time this happened to residential housing?...(not specific to one economically impacted market)....I mean has there been a nationwide bust because of high mortgage rates?
    Thanks!
     
    #155     Jul 24, 2002

  6. I'm curious what happens when 20% of the mortgagers default on their homes. Is the government going to bail out the banks like it did the Savings and Loans?

    That's going to tic me off if I end up paying for these overzealous creditors 10 years down the road.
     
    #156     Jul 24, 2002
  7. that is what happens. the housing market gets flooded with auction block material.

    The last time it happened though (that I remember) was in the 80s in New England. As I posted elsewhere, the buy and hold strategy worked then....who knows about now?

    The speculative bubble has to pop. That doesn't mean that housing doesn't have any intrinsic value.
     
    #157     Jul 24, 2002
  8. That's the rub with the realtors association. They love to quote the national number. Problem with that is lots of people stay in the areas where they grew up. I grew up in So. Cal and would like to stay here. RE here has been appreciating at NASDAQ 5000 style rates, 25%+ per year. My brothers home 4 years ago was appraised at 310K, today 680-700K. I stay pretty specific to this area and No. Cal. Other areas have been hit hard, Dallas for one. When you have a large sample population like the national number, it smooths the areas that were hit hard the last time this occurred.

    Will there be a nationwide burst, I don't think so, but areas that have seem hyper-appreciation will definitely see a burst.

    Companies here are having a hard time attracting skilled labor because of the housing costs. What might be the Long-Term effect on business, inflation, and the cost of doing business increases dramatically.

    Real estate to live in is generally a decent place to put money versus rent. The problem arises when people all want it at the same time, like a pirahana feeding frenzy. Soon the fish are eating each other, whether on purpose or by accident.

    Later,

    Cracked
     
    #158     Jul 24, 2002
  9. I disagree.

    Real Estate is not a better place to put your money if the market is going down. Buying is only better if you can't rent the same place for more than the monthly mortgage on the house (adjusted for tax deduction, transaction fees, equity gains, etc.).
     
    #159     Jul 24, 2002
  10. chisel

    chisel

     
    #160     Jul 24, 2002