Short gamma trade in EBAY

Discussion in 'Options' started by riskarb, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. remind me again why xmas trees are better than simple ratios for neg vega plays, e.g. why is (e.g. all calls) buy 1 50, sell 1 55, sell 1 60 better than buy 1 50, sell 2 55's? ratios i like under certain circumstances, esp when i can put them on for zero debit or even a small credit (iv's need to be fat) and at as shallow a ratio as possible.

    wee
     
    #81     Jan 16, 2004
  2. Simply a reduction of gamma risk in the trees, but you pay a larger debit(or receive a smaller credit/obviously unlikely). They carry a better vega/gamma, but in essence, they're not superior, any more than any option position is superior to another -- you either have edge, or the lack thereof.

    arb.
     
    #82     Jan 16, 2004
  3. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Wee,

    well, I don't use all calls or all puts, I tend to use both. So I would be long the 50 calls and puts and short the 55/60 calls and the 45/40 puts. I would also be doing this in further out months. My long options would be on the front month.

    The reason this is better then the 1 x 2 ratio spread is because it spreads your risk out further, i.e. it allows the stock to move against you more without taking a loss. You also have the added advantage of selling higher vol on the further out strikes. This spread has almost no gamma and is a pure short vega play.

    Now the big advantage of this spread such as lets say on ebay, is that you actually want the stock to gap on earnings. If the stock gaps up or down 3 to 5 pts you will do very well because you have long gamma on the front month yet you will profit from the drop in vol on the deferred month options. Now if the stock gapped like 10 or 15 pts then you would get hurt pretty badly although no where near as badly as if you were short just a straddle or if you had ratio spreads on.
     
    #83     Jan 16, 2004
  4. you guys happy about the BOX? i wish the options markets were more nasdaq-like -- allowing customers to display prices via participating ecn's that improve the NBBO. we could trade directly with each other like civilized men and women. i expect spreads may begin to narrow in any event as cboe retaliates.
     
    #84     Jan 16, 2004
  5. potential for penny spreads? what's not to like? :D

    arb.
     
    #85     Jan 16, 2004
  6. amen to that ;)
     
    #86     Jan 16, 2004
  7. ty mav..............and riskarb................
     
    #87     Jan 16, 2004
  8. Other than the potential for penny wide markets ...
     
    #88     Jan 19, 2004
  9. re: price improvement: if some order flow broker improves the customer's price by a penny, i am sure he will put at least that much in his pocket and that the market is about to reverse on the hapless customer. internalization is the ultimate insiders game. where is the market? who knows? it's somewhere inside the "box" so to speak.
     
    #89     Jan 19, 2004
  10. EBAY @ 6650
    Feb $65 Straddle ofer @ $585 (Short from $638 avg.)

    I'm going to offset 100 of my synth. short straddles here for $5500up -- 300x remaining.

    arb.
     
    #90     Jan 20, 2004