SHORT EURO !!! Germany try to implement penal servitude in Europe,

Discussion in 'Forex' started by Salmon, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. so how does that hurt the EUR and why should I short it down in here?
     
    #11     Dec 24, 2011
  2. Salmon

    Salmon

    You don´t watch news? Europe hasn´t money and Germany try to force EU states to let Germany manage their budgets. Germany try to supremacy european states like in II. world war. Also EU wants subsidize european companies lest don´t go bankrupt. EU is going bankrupt, sell (short) euro while you can, you will make big money.
     
    #12     Dec 24, 2011
  3. If the above information has any merit it is an act of desperation. I have been watching the correlation between gold and the Euro. There is alot of parraellism in the charts. If the mandate from the EU leadership is as such then it will be the swan song. It was a failed atempt at an American style of Government. The Chinese will break the EU of there non compliancy of the globalization process. The false guise of ISO XXXXXX, the antitrust lawsuit of US based companies to protect the Fatherlands interest will only make the price cheaper on the buy of soveriegn debt. The continuation of protectionist measures in the EU market will only leave them out in the cold in the years to come. As the African continent is developed by the Chinese the resuources once held by the European upperclass will transfer to a Sino centric world.
    The lack of transparency of the European leader is laughable at best. Let them bail themeselves out.

    Welcome to Planet Misery,

    Akuma

    BUY GOLD!!!
     
    #13     Dec 24, 2011
  4. well if you're going to just sell things based on how bad they are, the EUR is probably stronger than the dollar, and I don't care how long you are gold, the government will ultimately decide if you can sell it and what it will be worth.

    If curencies go down just because the government is bad the dollar should be way down, but recently it has been pretty strong, and I don't see USA doing anything particularly good recently, so maybe over some long time bad and down have some correlation, but not in the short time frames I usually trade, but thanks for the advice.
     
    #14     Dec 24, 2011
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    "well if you're going to just sell things based on how bad they are, the EUR is probably stronger than the dollar, and I don't care how long you are gold, the government will ultimately decide if you can sell it and what it will be worth."

    the market will decide the price of gold not the government.
    because the government is continuing to debase the $US, people in the US will never give up to the government the physical gold or gold coins that they are currently holding.

    your remark aligns quite accurately with your views on giving up personal freedom to the government TSA for a supposed safety in the sky. that argument was debunked on another thread.
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233353&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
     
    #15     Dec 25, 2011
  6. the government completely controls gold and always has. With one stroke of the pen they can confiscate it. It's laughable you don't understand that, look what they did to pot. And that's just a weed anybody can grow in their house or back yard. They can fix the price as they did pre Nixon, they can outlaw it as they did FDR, and they can decide if it's legal tender.

    You can't even get on a plane without the government grabbing your balls, and yet you think you can stand up to them when it comes to them grabbing your gold.
     
    #16     Dec 25, 2011
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    #17     Dec 25, 2011
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    "the government completely controls gold and always has. With one stroke of the pen they can confiscate it"

    they can threaten. they cannot not confiscate.
     
    #18     Dec 25, 2011
  9. that's not a prediction, that's just a scenario of what could happen if the shit really hits the fan and we descend into a world of dollar repudiation.
     
    #19     Dec 25, 2011
  10. zdreg

    zdreg

    ""the government completely controls gold and always has. With one stroke of the pen they can confiscate it""
    the statement is prima facie nonsense. the government cannot confiscate. people will give a thousand excuses what happened to their gold. gold will become the alternative currency, if the $US dollar is recognized only as fiat i.e. a worthless piece of paper.
     
    #20     Dec 25, 2011