Seth Klarman, author of "Margin of Safety" loses $645m on PG&E

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by peilthetraveler, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. mukoh

    mukoh

    The book is worth a read, and is a good basis for value based approach, which should be part of scenario when deals are abound such as 2008/2015 areas. There were pickins that made people extreme returns.
     
    #11     Jan 29, 2019
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  2. trader99

    trader99

    PCG was one of my best stock plays! I made money on BOTH the long AND the short side. I wished I was only played bigger!
     
    #12     Jan 29, 2019
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  3. %%
    2% is a lot on a co with PCG management........WSJ noted, again they have been thru chapter 11 back when bankruptcy lawyers charged a lot less.

    No disrespect intended. However even with bear bit , no dividend like PCG; they could have made money. In thier favor, it had a good dead cat/dead rat bounce from $17 to $27 area, late 2018.:cool::cool:
     
    #13     Jan 30, 2019
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  4. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for introducing me to Klarman.

    Quickly read his book. Learned a few things from reading the book. Thank you.
     
    #14     Jan 30, 2019
  5. ironchef

    ironchef

    One thing I took note reading the book:

    As part of his value investing philosophy, he advocated averaging down when buying. This seemed contradicting what most ET posters said: NEVER AVERAGE DOWN!!!

    Any comments or words of wisdom?
     
    #15     Jan 31, 2019
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  6. mlawson71

    mlawson71

    Don't such losses happen to all big investors occasionally?
     
    #16     Feb 1, 2019
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    Yes, like the Paul Tudor Jones post it note, noted ''LOSERS Average Losers''.Like lots of losers averaged down on GM, could have worked for while; then GM went bankrupt.Oops/ LOL . New GM is doing fine this year, as of yesterdays close.[But that did not help old GM shareholders @ all ; but they may have gotten a small dividend??]Of course when you get paid on AUM,[regardless of profit] big difference.

    But a well researched battle plan averaging up, or average down plan [ well researched plan] could work real well, say if you did that off 200 or 220dma, with exit plan ...........................So something that looks the same same ,is actually the difference in daylight + dark.:cool::cool:
     
    #17     Feb 1, 2019
  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes, my well researched battle plan on GE started at ~$25 and kept average down. Hope it is a GE and not a GM.
     
    #18     Feb 1, 2019
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  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Value guys average down. Momentum guys average up.

    Value guys are contrarians and so they see better and better upside as their position moves against them.
     
    #19     Feb 1, 2019
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    The founder of Investors Business Daily, said [while he was still running it] ''i don't know why people buy ETFs- i can make more money buying stocks '' ??[small caps + large caps] Unquote.Well he was unusually good/skilled + that is how he bought a NYSE seat, out of his stock profits ,as a young man.................................

    I know why some buy good ETFs, not just because one can make money with drawdowns, even though that can happen. Some sell + buy ETFs because they lose less money+ make more money, than with stocks.:cool::cool:.NOT a prediction.
     
    #20     Feb 1, 2019