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    #121     May 14, 2019
  2. Now that I'm back to one set per exercise after an aberration on Monday, I thought I'd post this article for good measure. I already posted it a couple of years ago, but what the hell.

    http://www.insideoutsidespa.com/the-why-of-less-darden-inside-outside.php


    "The Why of Less"

    Ellington Darden Phd.

    In this short article which appeared on his website several years ago, he explains the teachings of Arthur Jones regarding the philosophy of "More is Not Better" when it comes to High Intensity Strength Training. This is the basis of our High Intensity Low Velocity strategy and is worthwhile reading for all of us.

    “If in doubt . . . train less,” is an important concept taken from the writings of Arthur Jones. Jones, the inventor of Nautilus and MedX strength-training equipment, is also the man most responsible for the popularity of high-intensity training (HIT).

    Jones’s quote concerning training less needs clarification. The key to using it to your advantage requires a brief chronology of the man, some of his experiences, and a few ideas of my own.

    Meeting Arthur Jones

    I first met Arthur in 1970. He confronted me by suggesting that I forget everything I knew about bodybuilding. Then, and only then, he insisted, could I understand his new philosophy of training. Jones’s philosophy centered on exercising harder, but briefer.

    Arthur Jones started me thinking in a different direction. Instead of looking for ways to train more – by mixing various sets and cycles, splitting my workout days into upper and lower body, and exploring new exercises – he taught me how to get better results with fewer exercises and shorter routines.

    It worked. In 1972, I got into the best shape of my life and won the Collegiate Mr. America contest.

    Shortly thereafter, I joined Jones as Director of Research for Nautilus Sports/Medical Industries, where I remained for more than 17 years. Throughout those years, I published many books on Nautilus equipment, free weights, and the merits of high-intensity training.

    Nautilus and high-intensity training flourished in the 1970s and 80s. Millions of people were turned on to a harder-but-briefer style of exercising.

    In my travels throughout the country, recently I’ve observed that many trainees have forgotten Arthur Jones and his concepts. On one hand, this would be expected since Jones retired in 1996, isolated himself from the public, and eventually died in 2007. On the other hand, there are multiple web sites with discussion forums that consistently rehash many of Jones’s original principles – debating the right, wrong, and in-between.

    Extremists seem to be the norm on the internet. Recommended HIT routines, for example, vary from a high of 20 exercises four times per week to a low of 3 exercises in two weeks. That’s quite a range.

    After more than 70 years of interest in strength training, what were Jones’s concluding beliefs on training duration and frequency?

    The last several years of Jones’s life, I spent many interesting mornings with him at his home in Ocala, Florida. Often we talked training duration and frequency and I remember well his answers to my questions – answers that will help any HIT enthusiast clarify his quest to get bigger and stronger.

    Plus, an understanding of Jones’s early exercise experiences will allow you to appreciate WHY and HOW he eventually organized his training philosophy.

    Initially, Four Sets

    In 1936, at the age of 10, Arthur Jones became interested in weight training. He also practiced gymnastics, which explains why chin-ups and dips were two of his favorite exercises. According to Jones, he was well built by the time he turned 14.

    Over the next 15 years, Jones’s training was inconsistent. It was on and off, on and off since the necessary equipment was in short supply as he explored the world. When he trained, however, he settled on a routine that entailed three weekly workouts of four sets of 12 different exercises.

    Such workouts brought Arthur’s body mass up to 172 pounds. At 172 pounds, however, his progress plateaued. Additional exercises and extra sets did not provide the answer. Thus, Arthur typically stopped in disgust – he quit training for months, or even years.

    Being a person who was constantly on the move, combined with little exercise, Arthur’s muscle mass would gradually shrink. When the circumstances were right in his life, Arthur at a body weight of 150 pounds, would settle down somewhat and start training again. In a few months – with his routine of four sets of 12 exercises – Jones’s body weight would increase to 172 pounds. “Exactly 172 pounds,” I’ve heard him say emphatically, “and not one ounce more.”

    Finally, after several more episodes of yo-yoing between 150 and 172 pounds, Jones decided to do something different – radically different. He cut his routine in half. Rather than four sets, he performed each of the 12 exercises on only two sets.

    Next, Two Sets

    What was Jones’s outcome of half as much exercise?

    “My body started growing like a weed,” Arthur remembered. “It shocked even me.”

    Within a few weeks, Jones reached a muscular size and strength level that was far above anything he had been able to produce previously. With longer workouts, Arthur reasoned, he had been preventing additional growth by not providing his body with enough rest after the initial stimulation.

    In other words, he had been overtraining – he had been doing too much exercise.

    Once I questioned Jones about the time in his life when his body was at its biggest and strongest?

    “It was in 1954 in California,” he said. “I weighed 205 pounds with cold upper arms that measured 17-3/8 inches. And I was still doing two sets of 12 exercises. That year I could have placed high in the Mr. America contest.”

    In 1954 Arthur would have been 28 years of age. At the time of our conversation, early 2003, almost five decades had passed and Arthur had traveled the world extensively, developed both Nautilus machines and MedX strength-testing tools, written more than 300 related articles, funded meaningful university research, and retired comfortably to think about it all.

    So I asked him, “Arthur if you’d known then what you know now, what would you have done differently with your routine?”

    “I would’ve trained less,” he replied. “Instead of 12 exercises, I would have reduced the number to 8. Instead of two sets, I would have performed only one set. Instead of training three times per week, I would have trained twice a week.

    “training in such a fashion, I believe I would’ve reached a body weight of 205 pounds – or even heavier – faster!

    Optimally, One Set

    Okay, let’s take Arthur Jones’s advice of . . . One set of 8 exercises, twice a week . . . to heart.

    Jones and I both like the idea of an “A” and a “B” workout. The A Routine would be performed on Monday of each week, and the B Routine on Thursday or Friday.

    “A” Routine

    1. Squat with barbell
    2. Pullover lying crossways on bench with one dumbbell held in both hands
    3. Dip on parallel bars
    4. Chin-up on horizontal bar
    5. Bench press with barbell
    6. Biceps curl with barbell
    7. Triceps extension with one dumbbell held in both hands
    8. Wrist curl with barbell

    “B” Routine

    1. Stiff-legged deadlift with barbell
    2. One-legged calf raise
    3. Lateral raise with dumbbells
    4. Overhead press with barbell
    5. Shoulder shrug with barbell
    6. Bent-over rowing with barbell
    7. Negative dip
    8. Negative chin-up

    To supplement the above routines, occasionally I’d substitute the leg press machine for the squat. Or of you can’t do the squat properly, then you might do the leg press exclusively. The other possible modification to the A Routine would be in the #8 exercise, wrist curl. You could substitute a number of other movements here: reverse wrist curl, trunk curl (or other abdominal exercises), or neck work (the 4-way neck machine would be my first choice). For the B Routine, you could do the leg curl machine instead of the stiff-legged deadlift, and the leg extension machine instead of the calf raise.

    Of course, all of the above assumes that you are already an advanced trainee who works intensively and progressively – in good form.

    The Next Step

    After performing one set of 8 exercises twice a week for many months, is it possible to reach a plateau? Yes, I’ve worked with a few very strong bodybuilders who have done just that.

    The next step is to reduce the exercises by two and adhere to the same frequency: one set of 6 exercises twice a week. Then, if another plateau is reached, I’d recommend decreasing the frequency, but increasing the exercises slightly. In other words, you’d go back to 8 exercises for one-and-one-half times per week – which equals 8 exercises three times in two weeks.

    Eventually, a few men may require once-a-week training. I’ve worked with only five men, who I would place in that category. That’s five men out of thousands that I’ve worked with over 50 years.

    Can you reduce your training too much? Obviously, there’s a time and place in your life where less isn’t always better! More exercise might be a consideration (up to a point) during rehabilitation, recovering from injury, practicing maintenance, or perhaps in the senior years.

    The vast majority of people involved in strength training and bodybuilding, however, do too much, rather than too little, exercise. Remember, if your progress is at a standstill, or if you’re dissatisfied with your results – then train less . . . but work harder.

    Gain from Jones’s Guidelines

    Looking back, Arthur Jones, from his more than 65 years of strength training, learned the following:

    • Two sets are better than four sets, and that one set is better than two.
    • 8 exercises are better than 12.
    • training two days per week is better than three.

    Sure, some athletes with the right genetics can grow to massive proportions on much more exercise than is recommended above. Arthur Jones himself proved that. But the same athletes would have gotten even better results if they had trained less.

    Do not assume that you’re an exception to Jones’s concepts. In fact, you’d be better off assuming that you’re not.

    It took Arthur Jones more than 30 years to learn that growth stimulation for a particular muscle requires only one, properly performed, set. It took him another 20 years to understand that overall muscular growth accelerates from shorter routines and more rest days.

    Decide today that you’re going to reach your full muscular potential in the most efficient manner. Understand and apply the Why of LESS.
     
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    #122     May 16, 2019
  3. I'm still in the dark as to what a proper warmup would be for this, assuming you do warm up. Please detail your warmup.
     
    #123     May 16, 2019
  4. I can only speak for myself. I was never a big warm-up guy, even when I was at my strongest and lifting fairly heavy (for my size). For example, when I was benching about 245 for about 5 or so reps (in the '90s), which would have been my best set, I only warmed up first with the bar for about 10 reps and then at 135 for 8 reps or so. I would then go to my heaviest weight and work my way down in weights for each subsequent set to be able to do a suitable number of reps. I never quite got the pyramid thing of slowly working my way up to my strongest lift. When I tried that, my heaviest weight would always be compromised. Even for weighted pull ups, I would only do about 3 or 4 unweighted reps to get into the groove of the movement before beginning my first and heaviest work set. Right or wrong, it has always been this way for me.

    So, against this background, since I am now doing much slower reps with considerably less weight (mostly my bodyweight), I need even less warm up. I start with legs, which now means skater squats. I just do about 30 bodyweight squats and afterwards stretch at the bottom of the movement, so that when I do my 2 work sets (I only do 2 sets of the same exercise for upper legs), I can go as low as possible to maximize range of motion. I rest a couple of minutes after warm up before I do the work set. Calf raises don't require warm up. I then do three back exercises, started with pull ups. I only warm up with 2 slow pull ups to get into the groove. (Keep in mind that holding and moving the dumbbells for the skater squats already helped warm up my arms and shoulders a bit.) I don't do warm up for the 2 remaining back exercises. I then go to chest, beginning with chest dips on parallel bars. Again, I do 2 slow warm up reps before doing my work set a couple of minutes later. No warm up for the remaining 2 pushing exercises.

    Keep in mind that my warm ups are especially abbreviated now because the work sets are done quite slowly. If I were to be lifting heavier and with speed, it would make sense to warm up more thoroughly.

    Just to be clear, I'm answering your question about what I do. I'm not recommending my warm up approach as THE way to do it.
     
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    #124     May 17, 2019
  5. I've always struggled with warm ups. What's too much, what's not enough. Like you I finally realized that the pyramiding approach was not helpful do I dumped all of that middle range reps. Right now I just do a short set with about 60% of what I'm going to use for the day and then get to it. Currently doing a 5x5 set routine with the goal of having the 5th rep of the 5th set to be a failure rep. Doesn't always happen, but it's close. I do fewer sets/reps, and fewer exercises, have cut out what I saw to be a lot of redundancy.
    One more question about the article you posted. If you're following that routine, do you mix up the order of what's being done that day. That is if #1 of 8 is say bench pressing how often do you rotate that specific #1 to somewhere else in the order of 8? It would seem beneficial to do that?
     
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    #125     May 17, 2019
  6. I don't like change, so I only change when I feel I should, rather than for the sake of variety. However, since the skater squat is a single leg squat, I start with my right leg on Monday and my left leg on Thursday. Apart from that dramatic display of variety, I prefer to go from larger muscle groups to smaller ones. So legs first, followed by back, and ending with chest. The back and chest exercises also work the arms and shoulders.

    I've read that some people do a pull exercise followed by a push, followed by a pull and so on. It makes sense to the extent that you can get by on less rest between exercises than if you were doing all pull exercises first followed by all push exercises. That might be a way to change things up a bit, but I've never really gotten into it. I prefer to blast a muscle group for what it's worth before moving on to the next one. It might take a little longer, but I find it more satisfying. Perhaps if I get bored one day, I'll give the other way another try.

    Again, that's just me. I'm sure there are better ways to go about it, and I hope others chime in.
     
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    #126     May 17, 2019
  7. Just curious, but how did you arrive at 5 sets? Why not 4 or 6, or some other number?

    Also, how many different exercises do you presently do, and is your routine whole body or split?
     
    #127     May 17, 2019
  8. For me, the bottom line was, At what point is my first work set compromised? (This was when I was doing multiple sets, but the idea still applies to single sets.) If I otherwise could have (safely) done a heavier weight or more reps on the first work set, then I warmed up too much. (It's a trial and error determination.) That was my rationale. And so I always found minimal warm up to be enough for me. I should point out, though, that I always kept the weight under control rather than bounce it around, even in my younger days. What had gotten me in trouble back then was eking out an extra rep or two at the end of a set using Body English.
     
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    #128     May 17, 2019
  9. Trial and error. Used to do 3 sets of 12 to 15 reps. Weights were too light. I also did 6, sometimes 7 sets with pyramiding weight and 3 to 4 reps. Seemed like too much. I do one month of full body, one month of splits. No science there, just feels good at the moment.
     
    #129     May 17, 2019
  10. I'll give you the last two days and next week.
    Friday - Barbell flat bench press, dumbbell incline bench press, cable flys from a low position, overhead dumbbell press, lat pull-down, tricep pull-down, finished with a rope pull.
    Saturday - Hex bar deadlift, calf raise with barbell, pile squats, dumbbell squats, dumbbell shrugs, barbell row.
    Tomorrow I will rest
    Monday I'll do some isolation movements and row machine for cardio which I only do about twice a month.
    Tuesday and Wednesday I'll rest.
    Thursday I'll do chest, shoulders and upper back.
    I walk 4-5 miles nearly every day broken to couple miles in the morning and a couple in the evening. This is not hard cardio as I'm walking my dog so there are many sniff stops.:D
     
    #130     May 18, 2019