Serious question..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by VEGASDESERT, Oct 28, 2020.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    It used to be said of Presidential candidates that Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line. I don’t think that adage applies anymore.

    Trump fever has spread faster than Covid at a Trump rally. If you’re for Trump you’re all in. There’s a video of meth head praying to Donald Trump to save him from the police. This is about a third of the electorate - these are the people that will vote for Trump if he shot someone on fifth avenue. So, yes, they will go to super spreader events and rallies for Trump. It’s a cult.

    Hillary Clinton did not have that kind of cult following and neither does Biden. However, Trump with his massive rallies is the president because of 80,000 votes spread across 3 states.

    So, no, Trump’s rallies only indicate he is as vulnerable as his win last time - which was a very, very weak win.
     
    #21     Oct 29, 2020
  2. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    Are you telling me that Joe Biden is not a liar? and doesn't have a big ego?

    Come on maaaaan!

    Joe Biden is the broken down old (never had a job) dem version of trump.


    I know he finished top of his class and all.. oh wait.
     
    #22     Oct 29, 2020
  3. By the numbers it was a weak win.

    Out in the real world, it was a stunning victory. He came in as an outsider and beat both the bush and clinton machines to get there along with both the rnc and the dnc working against him.

    Versus Hillary and Biden who have been slogging around DC and running for president for decades.
     
    #23     Oct 29, 2020
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  4. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    weak win? he demolished the so called dem controlled blue wall. Any republican would
    have wet there pants at the thought of doing that.
     
    #24     Oct 29, 2020
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    All politicians are liars. If you have a politician who goes back 47 years, it would be impossible not to find statements they made no longer true today. All people are liars. You lie, I lie whenever it suits us. But some are worse and do it more arrogantly than others.
     
    #25     Oct 29, 2020
  6. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    good thing you know when trump is lying, the pols that do it well (and not challenged) are more dangerous.

    "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan"

    not
     
    #26     Oct 29, 2020
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    I got no no “quarms” with any of this.
     
    #27     Oct 29, 2020
  8. UsualName

    UsualName

    it was a weak win. I’m sorry if you’re offended.
     
    #28     Oct 29, 2020
  9. VEGASDESERT

    VEGASDESERT

    im terribly offended, currently moping around the house.
     
    #29     Oct 29, 2020
  10. It's easier for me, because I lean left. I have voted for a lot of Republicans at the state level though, because I've seen Democrats completely mismanage their states (like CT where I'm originally from). I did not feel raising corporate taxes was the way to go and I supported DeSantis over Gillum. I felt uneducated about who was running down ballot this year and only voted for the presidency/state amendments. I did not vote for my congresswoman (who will win easily since it's the city of Tampa), because she never responded to my question I emailed to her about her position on a FTT. I'm not a partisan and don't vote straight party tickets. I too feel the Democrats need to take a tougher stand against the violence/rioting/looting in our cities. I also feel Trump needs to take a tougher stand against right-wing extremists. I feel bad for local business owners that had their businesses hurt by them this summer in Tampa. That's the responsibility of local officials more than the president though.

    For president, I would have had a harder time with voting for Bernie who's way to the left of me on economic issues. I would be much more afraid of his potential for executive overreach. I can make a conservative case for Biden though if you think future years out. While he's more liberal than me on most fiscal issues, I do think Biden is an institutionalist who respects the norms of the Senate even though many in the Democratic Party are trying to push him to the left. My view is that if Biden wins he's going to have a very slim majority for him in the Senate. It's going to be anything from +1 GOP to +3 Dems (IA,ME,NC, and GA will decide this). I think there's enough moderate Democrats who will protect the filibuster if that's the case. If Trump wins the Senate map is really bad for Republicans in 2022. Since we know historically that midterms typically bring backlash to the incumbent it would set up 2024 pretty well for the Democrats. If Trump wins in 2020 he will drag down whoever is running in 2024 as they will have to fully embrace him to get through the primaries. Whoever comes out of the Democratic primary might be much further to the left in 2024 as they'll argue that the establishment moderates couldn't get it done after defeating Bernie.

    For SCOTUS, it's very likely that Trump will not get to appoint another justice if elected. Thomas is only 72 years old. He's showing no signs of retirement. Breyer is 82 and looks to be able to stay in office 4 more years. There will be pressure for him to retire if Biden wins, but that won't change the balance of SCOTUS.

    Another thing I feel is that if Trump wins, it's very likely there will be no constraint on spending. He and Congressional Democrats are much more willing to spend than Senate Republicans (even though they're much more willing to spend under a Trump presidency than an Obama one). It will be like Bush 2007-2008 where the budget ballooned with a Democratic Congress and Republican president. No new taxes, just unconstrained spending increasing our debt to GDP ratio higher and putting the question of our fiscal stability in jeopardy. There will definitely be high levels of spending under Biden, but there will also be tax increases. You may not agree with the tax increases, but I think it's a lot worse to spend like drunken sailors without increasing taxes. I've always felt a Democratic Congress and Republican POTUS was the worst combination for the debt though.
     
    #30     Oct 29, 2020
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