Selling Premium - Strategy Never Discussed

Discussion in 'Options' started by robertSt, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. robertSt

    robertSt

    I believe in civility, but I admit I do get annoyed when people repeatedly cite Karen the Supertrader or somesuch as proof that we're doomed. That's not what we're doing, and I think we've made that clear.

    If I do get blown out of the water, it will take longer than if I just traded the stock.
     
    #81     Jun 27, 2019
  2. Same. Like you I've mostly short premium positions to my advantage successfully for about 4 years now, having been active in the markets and through the school of hard knocks prior to that. Literally thousands of trades, statistically increasingly highly unlikely to be down to random chance. (And to be clear, this is not just blindly selling naked puts everywhere at any time, nor does this employ excessive leverage, both of which is deadly when indiscriminately applied.) Mostly I try to keep a neutral bias, of course sometimes I however can have a directional assumption or a bias, depending on the underlying and what might be happening in the markets. And of course sometimes your directional bias doesn't work out (though sometimes it luckily does.) In any case, that isn't the primary driver of returns and is just just gravy on top when it does work out. Like you I've also had to trade through some real stinkers in terms of having to manage adverse moves (and a bankruptcy - SUNE: upload_2019-6-27_20-55-37.png ,
    which was a total loss, only $650 or so thankfully, so it's been inconsequential. "Trade small, trade often"). GMCR. LULU. MU. SBRY. CMG. HTZ. YELP. YOKU. And yet despite these, I've done quite well thank you very much.
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    I don't claim this is any kind of silver bullet (there is of course is not such thing, and anyone who claims there is, is just another bullshitter.) But, there seems to be a real edge in premium selling (implied volatility overstating realised in the main) and as far as I'm concerned it can serve and is useful as a reasonably durable and regularly occuring edge in your toolbox, which when carefully and suitably employed during appropriate market and underlying conditions can serve to keep the probability of profit on your side when you construct positions or trades. My $0.02 worth anyway. Make of that what you will.
     
    #82     Jun 27, 2019
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  3. mjkielec2

    mjkielec2

    You need to have a lot of cash on hand for this....it's likely out of your league.
     
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    #83     Jun 27, 2019
  4. zdreg

    zdreg

     
    #84     Jun 27, 2019
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    The guy has 2 posts total. He missed the memo. :)
     
    #85     Jun 27, 2019
  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    Golden slax read his two posts+ posts of robertST. They are both being actively recruited for their options desk. It is extremely difficult to find people with their level of expertise. Because of compliance regs they then will no longer be allowed to post on ET.
     
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    #86     Jun 28, 2019
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  7. robertSt

    robertSt

    So you consider sarcasm and mockery civil?

    Instead of uninformed knee-jerk reactions and irrelevant criticisms, why doesn't someone give some actual reasons why this strategy is fatally flawed?

    It doesn't really require any special level of expertise. I think it's just an outside the box approach that goes against the popular wisdom.
     
    #87     Jun 28, 2019
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    Great results, keep it up. :thumbsup: SP500 CAGR is about 13.7% for the last 4 years, you are doing about 5% better.
     
    #88     Jun 28, 2019
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  9. destriero

    destriero


    2008. Let's see your PA-report from 2008. I'll wait. Thanks.
     
    #89     Jun 28, 2019
  10. robertSt

    robertSt

    I wasn't doing this in 2008. But you're right, it would have caused a drawdown. I've never claimed a panacea or holy grail, I just claim it's safer than trading stocks alone. In the market, that's about all you can ask for.
     
    #90     Jun 28, 2019
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