Selling out of the money puts with low risk

Discussion in 'Options' started by shortbleu, Aug 25, 2013.

  1. vanv0029

    vanv0029

    I have recently been selling more short puts and short calls. I think
    most of the arguments on this thread are wrong such as jimmyjazz:

    "The black swan pays every investor a visit when she decides to show up."

    The best way to deal with "imagined" black swan visits is to always buy
    stocks along with long puts. Does anyone think that strategy won't lose more
    money than long stock or selling puts to buy stock at a better price?

    I am posting because I think underneath this discussion is blind faith
    in formal mathematics. For example, I bet everyone here would agree that
    one can calculate from option prices whether it is better to sell near
    term 4-6 week from expiration short puts than long maybe 4 months options
    with maybe 50% less monthly income but more margin for error?

    My intuitive feeling is that in the first half of 2013, near term option
    selling worked, but I think now there is a new common stock price movement
    pattern with quick 10-15% movements that soon reverse. Recent examples
    are IOC and LINE. I claim this pattern can not be modeled mathematically
    and maybe is related to SOROS reflexivity or maybe it is caused by
    popularity of Tastytrade short near term options TV show popularity.

    Some of my recent longer term 3-4 out short option trades that have
    had lots of local but not global (fundamental) moves:

    1) Short TSLA 200 calls - no danger of a buyout since TSLA market cap
    is higher than the auto majors.

    2) Short EXAS 11 puts (see my previous thread).

    3) Short HK 5 puts - lots of warrants convertible by hedgies Feb. 2014.

    I started thinking of this from hearing a physics lecture where the
    presenter actually said "galaxies can move faster than the speed of light
    provided that no information is transferred" is now part of the standard
    model (quantum mechanics model?). Duh? For me, David Bohm's view that
    the universe (human psychology of trading too) shows the qualitative
    infinity of nature.
     
    #61     Sep 16, 2013
  2. You're taking my statement out of context. I was arguing that, for index investing, the PUT strategy was best of breed; in essence, I was making the same case you are.
     
    #62     Sep 16, 2013