Selling Naked

Discussion in 'Options' started by nugya, Sep 27, 2002.

  1. Bob111

    Bob111

    if you guys refresh your memory, every good book about options says-selling is more profitable than buying. it maybe not suitable for everybody, but it obvious. if every buyer make money on options-who is going to sell it next time? now-think opposite.and like in everywhere in market-something, on which you can make money(big money actually) cannot be easy. it risky, but it possible. if sell ATM puts every time, when VIX make 50-55 upfront for next 2-6 month-you probably make a very good profits.
    same thing-just opposite-if you buy puts on VIX 17-20-again-you be in money. Buy-when it cheap-sell when it not. Remember?
     
    #21     Sep 28, 2002
  2. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Give a man some rope and sooner or later he will be able to justify his own hanging.

    I would tell you to re-think that statement but for some reason I don't think it will matter.
     
    #22     Sep 29, 2002
  3. nugya

    nugya

    Which one is riskier;

    1) being short on emini OR
    2) selling naked PUT
     
    #23     Sep 29, 2002
  4. Depends.
     
    #24     Sep 29, 2002
  5. nugya

    nugya


    I meant to say

    1) being long on emini OR
    2) selling naked PUT

    Soorrrryy:
     
    #25     Sep 29, 2002
  6. maglia rosa

    maglia rosa Guest

    Yes, really, it depends. Are you saying being short 1 e-mini future vs being short 1 put on the the e-mini as your only position?
    If you know about the options greeks, then you know the short future has a constant delta of -1.0 and the short put, depending where its strike is and where the future trades will be somewhere between 0 and 1.0. The at-the-forward put will have a delta of about -0.5, so if you're short the put you're long 0.5 deltas.
    But don't forget that when short the put, you're not only long deltas, you're also short gamma, and short vega. That's where the additional risk (or reward) of the put comes in.
    For liquidity risk, the put is obviously more risky than the future.
    Also, with the future you pretty much know what fair value is (basket value plus cost of carry), but for the valuation of the put, how are you going to know what fair vol is.
     
    #26     Sep 29, 2002
  7. nugya

    nugya

    Which one moves faster then the market it self;

    1)futures(eminis) OR
    2)Options
     
    #27     Sep 29, 2002
  8. maglia rosa

    maglia rosa Guest

    If you're just trying to get deltas, you should always go with the futures. The future obviously leads the options, since the specialist is using the futures market to make his/her options market. Just for playing the direction of the market, without vol or time plays, you're always better off trading futures over options.
     
    #28     Sep 29, 2002
  9. nugya

    nugya

    Lets assume that we are talking European style options and expiry plays, where greeks don't mean much at expiry.

    I am trying point out that selling naked PUT is no more riskier then trading eminis long/short

    With selling options even if the market goes against you, time will be on your side:)
     
    #29     Sep 29, 2002
  10. Htrader

    Htrader Guest

    The real difference between the two is that you have limited profit potential with selling puts while you have practically the same downside risk.
     
    #30     Sep 29, 2002