Selling for a loss alternative

Discussion in 'Stocks' started by wxytrader, Feb 25, 2025.

  1. The premium received is the profit lol.
     
    #11     Feb 25, 2025
  2. cesfx

    cesfx

    Only if the stock doubles, by exp

    You are just adding to a losing position. Averaging down to put some lipstick on it.
     
    #12     Feb 25, 2025
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  3. ? What's expiry have to do with it? I'm fully intending to be assigned. I don't think you're understanding that if you are selling an itm put it's the same as buying at the money because you're receiving premium.

    Example with ABC stock @ $5
    1000 shares @ $5 = $5000
    10 puts @ $10 = $10,000 - $5000 in premium = $5000

    In both scenarios, you will have a 1000 shares at an average cost of $5.

    It doesn't have to "double"...it has to return to the top of the channel...doubling is irrelevant. Next thing you're going to tell me that it's harder for a stock to go from $5 to $10 than it is to go from $10 to $5 LOL.
     
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    #13     Feb 25, 2025
  4. cesfx

    cesfx

    then it's not "profit" by definition, innit??

    if it doubles in a defined space of time (expiration), you gain your premium (profit) if it stays where it is, you make zero, if it goes down, your loss increases because you just added to a loss.
    2+2=4

    But if you think it's a smart move, go for it and enjoy
     
    #14     Feb 26, 2025
  5. You gain your premium no matter what. But, yes, this is the ideal situation. Essentially, instead of buying now and waiting for it to double to close out for a profit, you took the profits (premium) now and closed out later.

    No. You collected the premium.

    No. You collected the premium.
     
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    #15     Feb 26, 2025
  6. cesfx

    cesfx

    you collect a premium itm, without much extrinsic value.

    Stock at 6, sell 11put to take 5 premium.

    Stock expires at 6, assigned position entry is at 11, PnL= -5

    5 collected - 5 pnl dd = 0
     
    #16     Feb 26, 2025
  7. cesfx

    cesfx

    come on man this is elementary even for me and I own no Lambo
     
    #17     Feb 26, 2025
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  8. You are misinterpreting the intent here. If the price is $6 and I am pretty certain that it will be back up to $12 in a month or so, then I can either buy @ $6 now and wait for my profits...or I can sell a $12 put and take the (future) profits now. Think of it as an advance on profits. :)

    If it doesn't pan out it I still get the premium so my break even is still $6. More importantly I have the premium to use for other things.
     
    #18     Feb 26, 2025
  9. This is where you are confused. 5 collected is the important part here. I am generating cash flow NOW which is the whole point. The paper loss is irrelevant. It's almost like borrowing against your position. :)
     
    #19     Feb 26, 2025
  10. cesfx

    cesfx

    I quit.
    You are on a different level.
     
    #20     Feb 26, 2025
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