SEC Extends Order Limiting Naked Short Selling Through August 12

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by EricP, Jul 29, 2008.

  1. Your welcome. Too bad my platform is down. Good news is, they'll be a thousand more before it's over.
     
    #81     Aug 20, 2008
  2. David Brooks had a column on John McCain today, where he pointed out that the Republicans have a weekly stategy meeting where they pass out talking points that everyone is supposed to use. McCain would just toss his.

    Look at this CNBC video:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=827817522&play=1

    Pay attention to the Hedgie and his talking point. Then, go here again:

    http://www.deepcapture.com/media-herd-lassoed-by-a-lie/

    At the end of the story, you'll see a link that features stories by major media outlets. Notice they all quote the same "researcher/economist" who says the SEC move was a waste. This is in direct opposition from the myriad of studies showing the opposite, including the Bloomberg chart we posted here.

    Is there any doubt there is a stategy meeting similar to the Republicans, and I"m sure the Democrats, among HedgeFund managers, lobbyists, reporters? You might have a differering opinion. But the facts are pretty obvious.
     
    #82     Aug 20, 2008
  3. Fly,

    There are several loopholes options market makers can use to avoid delivery of the stock. For example, if they are notified of a buy-in, they offer out the stock (since they don't have to locate, they can offer it naked) and essentially buy their entire position from themselves. This doesn't change anything, but it resets the clock for reg SHO purposes.

    Obviously, this kind of loophole contributes to persistent FTD problems and is easy to close without taking away the market makers' naked short selling ability. It just makes naked short selling more risky for them since they will have to deliver.

    In fact, if the purpose of more short sale rules is to curb market manipulation rather than price controls, then enforcing delivery is the way to go. Price tests and pre-borrowing are expensive and suck liquidity out of the market. But a market manipulator will have to have massive kahunas to naked short if the risk of buy-in grows with every naked short sale. To increase this risk, the SEC need only enforce its own delivery rules.

    The SEC's little games of late clearly have nothing to do with trying to curb market manipulation - it's all about price controls because people freak out when prices go down - unless it's oil, then they freak out when it goes up. Notice there's no talk of shorting curbs in the oil futures market? It's very likely they're selling phantom barrels. Why no outrage?
     
    #83     Aug 20, 2008
  4. Amen, enforcing a balance of supply and demand of the supposedly limited shares of the company, what a concept. :eek:
     
    #84     Aug 20, 2008
  5. #85     Aug 20, 2008
  6. The last paragraph is noteworthy. Ahh, dang academics. The article was authored by a lawyer and a professor of finance.



    "Despite a recent spate of lawsuits and media attention, the
    existing literature on naked short selling consists almost
    entirely of self-confessed advocacy pieces by lawyers and consultants
    involved in naked short selling cases or parties who are
    defendants in such lawsuits.

    We take a more balanced look at
    naked short selling. We have shown that, from an economic
    perspective, naked short selling is not fundamentally different
    from traditional short selling, is unlikely to have serious detrimental
    effects on capital markets, and might even present
    some benefits on balance."
     
    #86     Aug 20, 2008
  7. The SEC's little games of late clearly have nothing to do with trying to curb market manipulation - it's all about price controls because people freak out when prices go down
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    I would have to agree to a point. But what of the threat "across the market" enforcement?
     
    #87     Aug 20, 2008
  8. Isn't that what technical analysis is based on ? Why even file with the SEC, if an outside entity can create new shares with no authority.

    and finally, why do I personallyknow five people threatened with brutal deaths?

    Makes you kinda wonder. Don't it?????
     
    #88     Aug 20, 2008
  9. Bad guys. They spend a lot of time making stuff up to protect the golden goose.

    They equate covered short selling with naked short selling by claiming that the supply effects are identical (and ignore, of course, demand and price effects and the potential abuse of a riskless transaction).

    What is so hard to understand that the company, thru an SEC filling, creates shares. You don't get to make more out of air.
     
    #89     Aug 20, 2008
  10. without getting caught up in the reasoning and arguments.

    Apologize if this has already been discussed, haven't read much of this thread.

    But want to know how this affects me. So if the SEC were to "enforce" this market wide- anyone have an idea if the clearing firms have something in the works for real time borrowing of stock?

    I am having nightmares of seeing a solid trade where I can bang a couple thousand XOM for 10 seconds but miss out b/c I have to call to get stock.

    I know, I know...thats the "law". But anyone know if penson, etc. are working on it?
     
    #90     Aug 21, 2008