SCTlearning from scratch

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by jack hershey, Feb 22, 2014.

  1. 2. Now draw all the variations on step 1. and do it in an organized manner

    I made several messes doing Step 2

    It was kinda pain to get organized

    Finally on paint i did 5 by 5 as time saver

    I feel so dumb at times.. not like planting corn

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    #21     Feb 23, 2014
  2. thanks for this follow up.

    you have the expressions for each crital part of pair relationship.

    Fine job.

    You have also used the convention mentioned in step 1 of post 4.

    This, quite nicely, brings up the coding part of making an ATS for SCT

    expressions for each end and be combined into a "function" of the whole relationship of the pair.

    To do this a simple addition is made.

    you use ( ) around each expression and "AND" them together.

    so who invented this approach
    Carnap did and it is called logic theory

    So now we wll be using logic to learn.

    All learning is deductive and induction is not allowed.

    so now you can read A. Lo of MIT in the light of an inductive process that is invalid/
     
    #22     Feb 23, 2014

  3. edwina.

    wow you are same as redneck in post # 9.

    I see a differently oriented solution. RN is horizontally oriented (congrats to him) and you have tradtional vertical orientation of CW type potential trader.

    Go on to step 3


    dont save up anwers and post a group in future
    because it is better to have a chain of conversations

    In the past several matrices have been posted
    some were 4x4's and so on

    for any given bar volatility there is a square matrices
     
    #23     Feb 23, 2014
  4. Thanks for reply,

    I've tried "always in methods" in the past intra day with market orders and just get chopped to death essentially giving whoever was on the other side using limits a good trade and my broker comish. I used a Darvas style method. buying at the breakout of the box, selling breakdowns of the box. Now I essentially do the opposite with limits intraday and that works way better for me. Kind of like market making in a range.

    Contrary, On larger timeframes where commission and spread aren't an issue (daily/weekly charts) the darvas box breakouts work for me . (rectangles) as well as the other "CW " patterns I mentioned.

    So are you the guy using limits intraday or market orders?

    Are you recommending the beginner here use limits or market orders for this method you are teaching?
     
    #24     Feb 23, 2014
  5. Alkene

    Alkene

    Okay, I added the lateral to the chart and did my best with the algebraic expressions. I was not sure exactly how to express the lateral. I know there are more intricacies one a lateral is established--like the low of bar.0 can be lower as long as it closes inside the lateral. Is that to be included in the expression as well?

    I drew the "bounds" of a lateral. I also just went ahead and labeled the price cases.

    Who is A. Lo of MIT? Is there something I should read for clarification?

    Price Cases-1.png
     
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    #25     Feb 23, 2014
  6. Tahnks for introducing the levels of coding (using C++). some coding is a reference look up type and other coding is process in real time coding.

    the reference coding for the system of operation of the markets comes in just a few look up tables.

    we will have a look up for price, for volume, for end effects, for making money (2). and for compartmentalizing the End effects into ten subsets.

    all of this is just a little larger than the alphabet in terms of annotation symbols.

    so now we have the boundaries of the system in terms of knowledge reference system tables

    We will build mind as simple computer with "perception" that operates faster than the markets operate.

    so we will move to "anticipation" oreintation


    So we are seeing many and diverse contributions that
     
    #26     Feb 23, 2014
  7. Yes the lateral is a more complex internal market interlude.

    we will build minds to be able to express it in logic using a RDBMS approach.

    This is where CW has never gone. CW has a risk and betting orientaion through inductive reasoning. Science does not follow this procedure.

    We will see just where a complete algorithm comes from and why and how the complete HS required a dictate PM. (See Keynes)

    Hang on for a few days.
     
    #27     Feb 23, 2014
  8. THE CW which uses risk and bettingin the OODA routine context favors placing bets with limit orderwhich function in a FIFO manner and which become market orders at end of FIFO line.

    Risk comes from not having a complete system of the market operations.

    As you are seeing we are dealing with market info mation as found in a mental computer that always "knows it knows" with certainty. So we know to develop a complete system using deduction to complete the system


    WE use MADA as a certainty based routine
    All thrend segments have three parts: two ends and a middle

    ends are moments and middles span time in an Order Of Events


    all of this is rejected by the CW belief system based upon OOda betting and risk. too bad for those folloers
     
    #28     Feb 23, 2014
  9. 3. in some manner determine how many unilateral parts a bar may be broken into.

    Here are the 3 kinds i found

    am a little messy but it is three kinds i know now

    part3.png
     
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    #29     Feb 23, 2014
  10. this is correct

    leg, 2 leg and three leg

    we can use yours and RN's 5x5 to circle the three kinds

    here is the drill
    ;
    open in paint

    get ellpses or cicles on paint


    use blue ciclres to do 1 legs there are two

    use red circles to do the two legs ones; there are 12.

    leave rest alone; most are three legged
     
    #30     Feb 23, 2014