screw the futures, S&P will finish LOWER friday

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Bob Rowshan, Nov 29, 2007.

Will the S&P finish friday down?

  1. Yes, the S&P will be down on friday

    29 vote(s)
    39.7%
  2. No, the S&P will be up friday

    44 vote(s)
    60.3%
  1. omelette

    omelette

    The mini Dow was taken up over 130 points yesterday after-hours on a little over 2k of contracts. Last night, it was up over 80 points, again at a little over 2k.

    Question: is this 'manipulation'? I mean, if you can effect this type of movement with so little effort, what is to stop 'them' from simply buying 10-20k contracts before the close, walking it up overnight, then scaling out when the market opens.

    Futures seems totally corrupt imo...
     
    #51     Nov 30, 2007
  2. Well since nobody paid any money for his prediction, it doesn't matter if it's a 100% guarantee or not.
     
    #52     Nov 30, 2007
  3. Get a friggin' clue you moron.

    I hope you don't trade actual money. Just cut me a check instead.

    ES trades tens of thousands each night. YM is a pimple. Don't you watch global markets? How surprising that on nights when the DAX and FTSE are up 1% that someone would bid futures on U.S. indices. Geez.......
     
    #53     Nov 30, 2007
  4. omelette

    omelette

    Actually I do, the YM - and am doing quite well atm! But I readily admit that I have a lot to learn.

    Of course I'm aware that the global markets influence futures but as the US markets are basically the dog that wags the tail, in general the direction is set the day before I would have thought. Just surprised at the extent of the moves on mediocre volume.

    Charming response btw, just the sort I'd expect from someone fustrated with always losing his shirt!:p
     
    #54     Nov 30, 2007
  5. Sorry for being rude but I was responding while reading Poole's comments on another screen. :mad:

    Don't assume that the U.S. wags the tail of other major markets. We don't. No more than the Dow wags the tale of the Russell. Apples and oranges. It's all about sectors. These day's European index futures don't close until we do so there's no lag. We're not the only guy's with a "night" session.

    As far as manipulation: nothing beats a steady stream of Fed officials speaking off hours about how much they'd like to ease.
     
    #55     Nov 30, 2007
  6. wizardc1

    wizardc1

    Obviously, you have ways to go how to analyze trends, keep it up, new year, new hope.
     
    #56     Dec 7, 2007