Scientists...Got it wrong again!

stu · May 31, 2009

Quote from jem:

not a strawman - then what was the point of your

One entry found.

Main Entry:
tauÂ·tolÂ·oÂ·gy Listen to the pronunciation of tautology
Pronunciation:
\tȯ-ˈtÃ¤-lə-jē\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural tauÂ·tolÂ·oÂ·gies
Etymology:
Late Latin tautologia, from Greek, from tautologos
Date:
1574

1 a: needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word b: an instance of tautology2: a tautologous statement
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Very good !!...now do axiom....

killthesunshine · May 31, 2009

stu,

ROFL

Barth Vader · May 31, 2009

Quote from stu:

How hard is it? Without first the possibility of existence there could be no God or Creator in existence. How hard is that?

Your previous post to vhehn is quite honestly the most complicated tortured dissemblance I've seen for a while, so how hard is it really for an intelligent person such as yourself to stop acting the goat and address a straightforward concept to do with existence.
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Stu, I have been called many things during my lifetime, most of which can't be repeated around small children and polite company, but "acting the goat" is certainly the most unique ! LOL

You will, of course, explain to this ignorant man what "acting the goat" implies !

Regarding the question of existence, the argument can be formulated with $5 words or 5 cent words, they will both arrive at the same point.

I believe the Biblical account of "first things", others may believe in macro-evolution or any of a hundred other systems. We will all arrive at that great chasm , that impenetrable line of demarcation between beginning and pre-beginning.

What more really needs to be said ?

killthesunshine · May 31, 2009

Quote from Barth Vader:

Stu, I have been called many things during my lifetime, most of which can't be repeated around small children and polite company, but "acting the goat" is certainly the most unique ! LOL

You will, of course, explain to this ignorant man what "acting the goat" implies !

Regarding the question of existence, the argument can be formulated with $5 words or 5 cent words, they will both arrive at the same point.

I believe the Biblical account of "first things", others may believe in macro-evolution or any of a hundred other systems. We will all arrive at that great chasm , that impenetrable line of demarcation between beginning and pre-beginning.

What more really needs to be said ?
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what needs to be said is why? why do you " believe the Biblical account of "first things"

does it make you feel good? were you there "first things"? that's how you were brung up? uh, i 'm in love with a priest and she says so? i got nothing else to do sundays, afterward we all barbQ/

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jem · May 31, 2009

Quote from stu:

Very good !!...now do axiom....
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now that you have been educated perhaps you will admit your mistake.

Barth Vader · May 31, 2009

Quote from killthesunshine:

what needs to be said is why? why do you " believe the Biblical account of "first things"

does it make you feel good? were you there "first things"? that's how you were brung up? uh, i 'm in love with a priest and she says so? i got nothing else to do sundays, afterward we all barbQ/

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Ah yes, that stern grouping of letters that form the question "Why"........

"..Beyond the bright searchlights of science,
Out of sight of the windows of sense,
Old riddles still bid us defiance,
Old questions of Why and of Whence..."

William Cecil Dampier-Whetham [1867-1952]

Why do I beleive in the Biblical account of creation and its Creator?

Because, for me, after a long journey, it is what makes complete sense. In the complete scenario, it makes complete sense.

Regarding Sundays and BBQ...I have not worshipped inside a church , or belonged to a denomination for almost 20 years.

killthesunshine · May 31, 2009

Quote from Barth Vader:

Ah yes, that stern grouping of letters that form the question "Why"........

"..Beyond the bright searchlights of science,
Out of sight of the windows of sense,
Old riddles still bid us defiance,
Old questions of Why and of Whence..."

William Cecil Dampier-Whetham [1867-1952]

Why do I beleive in the Biblical account of creation and its Creator?

Because, for me, after a long journey, it is what makes complete sense. In the complete scenario, it makes complete sense.

Regarding Sundays and BBQ...I have not worshipped inside a church , or belonged to a denomination for almost 20 years.
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what's makes sense to you that you are willing to suspend all reason?

what portion that makes "sense", makes you crazy?

what is it that "makes sense" to YOU, in this context?

i ask you earnestly because it's escapes me

Free Thinker · May 31, 2009

Quote from Barth Vader:

The authors of the above referenced statements [I did read the links] are allowing their initial bias to over-ride the required scholarship, the required understanding of the subject matter, which is necessary to forming a critical opinion.

I would agree, that away from the entirety of the Biblical economy, the concept of a "virgin birth" most probably meanders to the realm of mythology , as it should, as no other "virgin birth" has taken place.

The authors are missing the continuous thread of G-D's plan of redemption for fallen man.

If, as the Bible states, man is fallen from his first estate, then as G-d has revealed His plan of redemption through the Messiah, the need, the requirement that this Messiah not be beholden to an act of man, mundane procreation, is clearly evident. For if this Messiah, was beholden to an act of man before the gift of Mercy could be proclaimed, then why couldn't any act of man be acceptable [i.e., giving to the poor, praying 24/7, etc.]

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âThe biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong

Free Thinker · May 31, 2009

Quote from jem:

How out of context can your jerk off "webmasters get?

Here is the passage in context - notice the point jesus makes in the end. It is the point of the gospel. it is almost impossible to earn salvation. But with Jesus salavation is possibile.

try reading it _

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

(could Jesus have been pointing out he is God here? Just picture the point of this teaching and you are likely to say ah now i get it. )

Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

(this guy is claiming he is a very very good Jew - keeping all the commandments)

Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Get it -

with men it is impossible - but with God plan all things are possible.

Jesus - just let you know he was God to start the passage.

Your dopey internet commentators missed the whole point.
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The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?--- -Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith. evgelical preacher. former

Free Thinker · May 31, 2009

Quote from Barth Vader:

The authors of the above referenced statements [I did read the links] are allowing their initial bias to over-ride the required scholarship, the required understanding of the subject matter, which is necessary to forming a critical opinion.

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how about this biblical scholar? i suppose he lacks understanding too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiUCN_e2dgY