Schonfeld Traders R.I.P.

Discussion in 'Prop Firms' started by DisciplinedHedg, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. rwk

    rwk

    I always suspected I went to the wrong college. DAMN! Now I know I did.
     
    #11     Jul 6, 2010
  2. Midas

    Midas

    Small prop firms are being forced by clearing firms like goldman to institute "true prop" models. In otherwords take a % of the profits. The Clearing firms are being pressured by regulators to do this. The days of prop firms making money soley on commissions is over so is the 100% payout that went along with that model. Either go retail via IB or the like, or accept the new model.
     
    #12     Jul 6, 2010
  3. olias

    olias

    the silver lining here is that maybe those displaced traders will actually go out and do something that contributes to society...like actually produce something.
     
    #13     Jul 6, 2010
  4. OK, now I have no idea what you trade and whether you supply or consume liquidity. But in the period you describe the equities markets had one of the longest, most consistent, and biggest unidirectional moves I've ever seen. It seems to me you would have had to employ double extra special pretzel logic to end up on the wrong side of it for any extended period of time.

    So I have a hard time getting too excited about all the whining. The losers over the last year outsmarted themselves.
     
    #14     Jul 6, 2010
  5. But according to bob bright all is always well.lol the hadnwriting for scalping has been on the wall for years. one must back his time frame out to 10's of min's and hrs instead of seconds and a mere minute or 2. you can't beat the black boxes
     
    #15     Jul 6, 2010
  6. bone

    bone

    #16     Jul 6, 2010
  7. I have called on this happening years ago. Very few listened. I tried suggesting new ideas & concepts to milk out whatever few edges were left and start positioning for the future. Noone listened.
    Luckily, I was smart enough to do myself a favor and get out of business while in an advantageous position.
     
    #17     Jul 6, 2010
  8. Letting go of the lowest performers in any company, in any business, is a business strategy. Jack Welch used this strategy & continually proposes it to others.
     
    #18     Jul 6, 2010
  9. nbates

    nbates

    With the proper tools (technology), mentoring and a solid plan for success...I'd imagine that 15% number to be much smaller...yes it's the trader's fault, not the "status quo" vision and mindset of their Leadership team, lol :)
     
    #19     Jul 6, 2010
  10. rosy2

    rosy2

    i have always said that if you have a real strategy it can be automated. my firm is hiring. PM me if you're for real.
     
    #20     Jul 6, 2010