Schadenfreude Warning: "Karen the Supertrader"

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by Niten Doraku, Jun 1, 2016.

  1. CBC

    CBC


    It all evens out Springs, whatever you lose in the process trying to land that big run will will even out.
     
    #191     Jun 7, 2016
  2. Surprise

    Surprise

    Being profotable since 2014 thats a short period of time , you may as well flip a coin and stay profitable that long , come after 10 years .

    Re the so called tastytrade enjoy this article below

    http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2014/11/tastytrade-shill-with-skills.html?m=1
     
    #192     Jun 7, 2016
  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    OK, I will bite. What was so special about 2014? You name anything (vol, drop size) and I will show you similar events before or after. Even her PM usage couldn't be that large because she was pretty much maxing it out back in 2011, when she was making 5% monthly, and still survived an 18% drop. So you tell us, because I can't find my thinking cap...

    Now if she faked all her performance after 2011, that would explain it, but you still have to explain away the Yahoo boys' performance...
     
    #193     Jun 7, 2016
  4. CBC

    CBC

    Yea now that that is in the light God only knows what went on, as well as the SEC XD.

    We just gotta sit around now and wait for the SEC findings. It didn't say anywhere in the SEC report what her current losses on the account were? I only read the bit about the $110 mil, but I don't think that was current.
     
    #194     Jun 7, 2016
  5. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    I have been doing it since December 2013. So far, all is well. But like you said "come after 10 years". Though our strategy is a bit more sophisticated. We hedge (when needed), with 100% automated algo that trade futures. The only instrument that we trade is ES.
     
    #195     Jun 7, 2016
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Would you mind telling us your 2014 performance, or at least if it was profitable?
     
    #196     Jun 7, 2016
  7. ktm

    ktm

    As someone who's managed funds for others and been through regulatory examinations, I can tell you they know pretty much everything.

    When I got examined, I got a few weeks notice and they had a team spend nearly a week at my place. They got every statement, communication, document and file - both electronic and paper - that existed on my end. Then they contacted my accountant, auditor, bank, broker, randomly selected clients and everyone else that had any knowledge of my fund and got every document they could obtain DIRECTLY FROM THEM. If anything was a penny different, it was chased down and explained to their satisfaction. For all the ponzi schemes and others that have gotten away with fraud over the years - they were not fully examined by a regulatory authority.

    I'm not sure when Karen was examined before, but if anything was amiss they would have caught it. Exams are not every year and not even regular. Much depends on your size and scope and other factors, but I think the goal is to examine everyone on average about every 5-7 years.

    They will also not disclose everything in a briefing doc. It's just enough to establish misconduct and illustrate the level of deception that took place for the record.

    I don't know Karen and I haven't really followed her except for some of what I've read here. I can tell you that most people that run funds that get involved in this kind of activity had a loss and started fudging to cover the loss with the intention of squaring things up once the funds were recouped. If you never make the money back, the hole gets deeper. And if the SEC/NFA shows up for an exam, it's over. Even if she fully recovered, they would have discovered the fraudulent reporting on her next exam. I'm not sure if this was her first exam or not, but if you have been through it once you know there is no way you could get away with anything.
     
    #197     Jun 7, 2016
  8. If you set up the fund correctly aren't you exempt from SEC regulation and registration and therefore are not subject to regular audits?
     
    #198     Jun 7, 2016
  9. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    27.85% (net of our fees)
     
    #199     Jun 7, 2016
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    What I learned from you folks and Karen is very valuable: her over leverage created the huge losses:

    I went back and look at naked 5 delta (her criteria) short puts on SPY that expired in ~50 days. I would collect ~$0.5, if SPY dropped ~10%, the 5 delta became ~50 delta and the puts became ~$5. If I committed 50% of my fund and used PM, margin calls came in no time. I have no clue how to get out of that without a loss.:banghead:

    If I didn't leverage, my puts would all expire worthless and I made money.:D
     
    #200     Jun 7, 2016