Scalping ES - how many ticks?

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by tenthousandmen, Feb 3, 2012.

How many ticks do you need to break even on a round trip ES trade?

  1. < 1 tick

    22 vote(s)
    38.6%
  2. 2 ticks

    9 vote(s)
    15.8%
  3. 3 ticks

    8 vote(s)
    14.0%
  4. 4 ticks

    12 vote(s)
    21.1%
  5. > 5 ticks

    6 vote(s)
    10.5%
  1. oh, ok, yeah, one tick
     
    #61     Feb 9, 2012
  2. Can someone please backtest this and we can put it to rest ?
    Use a Donchian entry to get in (use 200 tick bars) - 4 higher highs in a row to go long, 4 lower lows to go short.
    Exit rules:
    3 tick stop order to take profits
    2 tick stop loss order

    Then try the same with a RANDOM ENTRY.
    If you get a positive 1/2 tick per trade from either of these, I'll be surprised.
     
    #62     Feb 10, 2012
  3. you aint going to get very far in the scalping business if your loss is tighter than your target
     
    #63     Feb 10, 2012
  4. I don't dispute that. I am guessing the above strategy will win only 30% of the time at the best and likely not to be profitable. Reasons: frequent losses due to tight stop and using a fixed profit target....which eliminates any big wins.
    The age old issue with systems trading is: how to determine the optimal stop loss. No doubt the win% will go up if you set the stop loss to 2x the profit target. But that doesn't guarantee a winner.
    This strategy as written is likely to be a low risk one....but that doesn't mean you can't lose a heckuva lot of money over time with it.
     
    #64     Feb 11, 2012