"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    OK how about a simple test? You pick the stock (free historical data available at yahoo), you pick the time period (5+ years), you pick the public domain timing strategy, you pick the initial account size, etc. The only variable will be your fixed-fraction position sizing versus my alleged optimal position sizing, and we'll see which is riskier (you pick the criterion for that as well :)).
     
    #921     Mar 14, 2008
  2. Thanks for the offer, but I principally trade NQ intraday using solely my own method, which I am not prepared to share in any detail. The relative size of my trades is a function of my familiarity with that market and my comfort level with my own approach. However, I will stipulate that you are prepared to put your sizing approach to the test and are not just passing wind. Fair enough? :) Have a good weekend.
     
    #922     Mar 14, 2008
  3. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Fair enough. You have a good one as well, TD. :)
     
    #923     Mar 14, 2008
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Yep:)
     
    #924     Mar 16, 2008
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Most assuredly. :)


    Sacling out appeals to traders who are overexposed with their position sizing. It is a scaredy cat strat.:)
     
    #925     Mar 16, 2008
  6. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Just to clarify my opinion in this thread, it applies only to mechanical traders. I would not presume to know what is best for a discretionary trader, that being a highly subjective and individualistic activity.

    But for mechanical trading -- trading which can be programmed into a computer --, scaling is simply a suboptimal strategy. Optimal position sizing precludes scaling in because the last thing a trader wants to do is add to a position that is already optimal size, and scaling out leads to lower profits.
     
    #926     Mar 17, 2008
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Doesn't matter. The math doesn't care whether it is a mechanical or non-mechanical trader. :)
     
    #927     Mar 17, 2008
  8. Like so many of these trading conversations on ET, those Posters who have reached a critical mass of knowledge with their trading can see the point of view of those who are trailing behind them
    but the reverse seldom applies.

    As to "scaling" I do not engage in it for two reasons.

    1 ... I trade ES several times each morning and things are happening very fast.

    2 ... more importantly, I am not here to
    maximise trades, only daily profits.

    I regard each trade as a "stand alone" trade.
    Quite frankly, I am only interested in my daily ratios.

    regards
    f9
     
    #928     Mar 17, 2008
  9. Wow, this thread is still alive? A year or so later, my opinion stands as:

    Sometimes I sell everything at once.

    Sometimes I scale out slowly, especially in a thin name.

    Sometimes, after exiting a partial position, I will rebuy/sell and double up on the position, depending upon how the tape subsequently acts.

    I hope that's concrete enough for some of you, and vague enough for others. :)
     
    #929     Mar 17, 2008
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2


    Thanks!!:)
     
    #930     Mar 17, 2008