"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    I personally have allowed so many good entries to evaporate due to not taking a profit in time, so I have decided to start scaling out. I do understand that not scaling out theoretically ought to be more profitable, but I am not able to achieve this. So many times trade goes 2 points in profit and turns back to hit entry level and some times beyond that, if I trail it to break even it still makes it a Net loss. Trouble with keeping small stops and letting winners run (without scaling out), is that the amount of losses can easily match final winning trade.
     
    #851     Jun 16, 2007
  2. I think that Buy1Sell2 and Jack Hershey have a lot in common and much to talk about. Anyone who disagrees with them or trades differently is simply doing it the wrong way. I'd love to see an exchange between the two of them.

    As an aside, I note that the people who always scale out are very much in the minority in this poll. Oddly enough, so are the people who make money trading. Coincidence? Perhaps...
    :)
     
    #852     Jun 16, 2007
  3. Crewmen

    Crewmen

    Thanks for bumping this thread up...
     
    #853     Jun 16, 2007
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Big wins without scale outs are what successful trading is all about. It is not about taking some off here and there just to bank psychological profits. Winners understand what I am speaking of--:)
     
    #854     Jul 10, 2007
  5. gnome

    gnome

    Guess that elimates all the "scalper" mugs...
     
    #855     Jul 10, 2007
  6. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Very much so. There are a few of those folks that make money, but very very few. In addition, those profits are much smaller in scope and much higher in stress and workload.
     
    #856     Jul 10, 2007
  7. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    But allocating $75k+ per 1 contract and total allocation being less than 10% of total net worth is NOT how most would be able to trade, IMO most rely just on minimum margin requirements. To achieve consistent results without having to scale out daytrading index futures is very difficult, I dare say it's not just psychological, it's about banking profits consistently and not giving it away.
     
    #857     Jul 10, 2007
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    The reason that a daytrader will give away profits is because they typically do not identify the trend correctly and attempt to trade both sides of the market which then causes the stopouts. You will seldom be stopped out if you identify the trend correctly, trade with that trend and then set your stop outside of the noise. This is true whether using a lot of margin or no margin at all.
     
    #858     Jul 10, 2007
  9. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    Daytrading and swing trading require different approaches/methods IMO, intraday trend is a short lived event on many days, one moment you see a trend & 5 minutes later it reverses to take out your stops. Using stops outside the noise according to daily chart's support and resistance levels is not practical for daytrading, again IMO.
     
    #859     Jul 10, 2007
  10. gnome

    gnome

    To speculate with "minimum margins AND the margin used is a significant portion of captal"... should probably not be done by anybody (regardless of how many try). Noise fluctuations have too great an impact on capital to be successfully negotiated.
     
    #860     Jul 10, 2007