"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. volente_00

    volente_00


    I disagree, the non scaler will still lose because of commissions.
    The scaler has already locked in his profit so even if it comes back to breakeven on the remaining half he still ends up making money on the trade unlike the non scaler.
     
    #411     Oct 27, 2006
  2. romik

    romik

    you should scale out at 2 points, not 1 point.
     
    #412     Oct 27, 2006
  3. Scaling is all about finding a "better (aka current/updated) maturity area", only you are doing it in real time. What you are doing by scaling is placing greater weight on the results of recent trades, while giving less weight to the result of past trades (where the "optimal" exit has been calculated from) -- an analogy would be an EMA vs an MA on "maturity", so to speak.
     
    #413     Oct 27, 2006
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    At the point wher you scale out and I stay in and we both move stops to breakeven, there is no chance that you, scale out trader will have a higher winning percentage. However, you will have less chance to profit on the trade. If I am a breakeven strategist, it would make more sense to leave the whole trade on.
     
    #414     Oct 27, 2006
  5. volente_00

    volente_00


    That is a good point, So is scaling out still inferior if it is done at your initial point target ? In my example I told you of how I sometimes scale out at 2 points on ES and let the rest ride, Your example assumes that you scale out early every time before your point target is reached.
     
    #415     Oct 27, 2006
  6. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    On one single trade , yes, but not over the whole of his trading. He will have defined the place to get out that gives decent expectancy over the long haul and the additional profits will more than pay for commissions.
     
    #416     Oct 27, 2006
  7. He must assume this, to make his theory correct. He is always right in "retrospect", where he needs to stay in order to continue the argument.
     
    #417     Oct 27, 2006
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    2 pts was the mature profit target in this example. That wouldn't be scaling out, that would be letting the trade mature.
     
    #418     Oct 27, 2006
  9. volente_00

    volente_00



    That is where you are mistaken, if I have already taken profit on half, I can not lose on the trade after commissions. You will lose on the trade because of transaction costs. I will never lose money period on a scale out trade once half is taken off the table. You will lose money if it comes back to your entry.
     
    #419     Oct 27, 2006
  10. volente_00

    volente_00

    so answer the question,

    Is scaling out inferior if you let it hit your profit target and then start to scale out ?




    I understand your point about cutting yourself short and selling at only half your initial point target.
     
    #420     Oct 27, 2006