"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
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  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. INCORRECT
     
    #1681     Jul 17, 2018
  2. For entry "scaling in" is just acting upon confirmation. For exiting "scaling out" is just taking what the market is giving.

    ES
     
    #1682     Jul 17, 2018
  3. renko76

    renko76

    bs2....do you use ninjatrader?
     
    #1683     Aug 2, 2018
  4. renko76

    renko76

    the best answer is trade what suits ur psyche. and account....
     
    #1684     Aug 2, 2018
  5. Newc2

    Newc2

    Scaling in is superior behaviour?

    I now think so.

    In markets where stop losses are frequently hunted, scaling in allows a wider stop for that initial position. Nobody knows whether price will move in the desired direction from the outset. By scaling in we're letting the market feedback pull us into a larger position.
     
    #1685     Feb 16, 2023
  6. bone

    bone

    Every single trader that I’ve seen blow it - did it “scaling in”. On the floor, it was called ‘cannon balling’.

    YMMV, I wish everyone good fortune!

     
    #1686     Feb 16, 2023
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  7. deaddog

    deaddog

    Can we differentiate between scaling in and averaging down?
    Scaling in to me is adding to a position that has moved in my favor.
    Averaging down is adding to a position that has moved against me.
    I scale in. I rarely average down.
     
    #1687     Feb 16, 2023
  8. Newc2

    Newc2

    So you analyzed their trading edges over all of their trades and verified that their edges were solid and would have made them money had they not scaled in?

    Seeing you posted "every single trader I've seen" means that I don't think you did this analysis.

    I think these people scaled into non trending environments.
     
    #1688     Feb 16, 2023
  9. bone

    bone

    Personally, I scale into winning positions. I never add to losing positions.

    “Cannonballing” is adding to a losing position in hopes of mean reversion.

    Semantics. My mistake.



     
    #1689     Feb 16, 2023
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  10. Newc2

    Newc2

    My mistake too. I should have been clearer that I meant scaling into winning positions.

    Adding to losing positions is a pretty rookie error (unless working an area up to a full position).
     
    #1690     Feb 16, 2023
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