"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    That is not so, purely because All In All Out might not do well in certain strategies. A strategy that I use would not be as profitable using All In All Out in comparison with Scaling Out. I know this, because I tried & failed. All In All Out simply doesn't garnish same results as Scaling Out one does in my case, because so many times if I hadn't scaled out I would have been stopped out & unrealised gain would turn into a loss & it's as simple as that.
     
    #1351     Sep 15, 2009
  2. For people who know what they are doing scaling out is 'Superior' behavior.

    If you can call the exact top/bottom then yes scaling out is inferior.
     
    #1352     Sep 15, 2009
  3. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    It has nothing to do with whether you can call the top or bottom. All in, All out is superior on all systems and abilities.:)
     
    #1353     Sep 21, 2009
  4. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Most likely, your scale out point should really be your all out point. Some more analysis will bear that out. :)
     
    #1354     Sep 21, 2009
  5. farjeon

    farjeon

    JSSPMK is trading two systems that happen to have the same entry.

    The normal arguments for diversifacation pertain.
     
    #1355     Sep 21, 2009
  6. ram

    ram

    #1356     Sep 21, 2009
  7. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    But if I do close 100% position at scale out point, then extended gains become impossible to achieve in my situation. Just like in Ram's link, the guy is pretty clear about not scaling out when using his strategy, which is:

    1. Enter
    2. If Price goes to target All out
    3. If Price returns to entry, before hitting target, then All out to b.e. (don't worry about spread cost for now)

    But, in my strategy I

    1. Enter
    2. If Price goes to 1st target Scale out 2/3
    3. If Price goes to 2nd target, then remainder 1/3 is closed.
    4. If Price returns to entry, before hitting 2nd target, then remainder 1/3 is closed.

    Again, I am talking about my way, which is not universal. Of course when one doesn't scale out when extended gains are achieved they beat scale out results, it's understood. Yet, so many times extended gains are not possible to achieve & that is where scaled out trades become more advantageous as instead of a b.e. trade it becomes a winning trade. Where is the fallacy in that?
     
    #1357     Sep 21, 2009
  8. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    By removing the entire position at your scale out positioin, you would also avoid "runners" from losing gains.:)
     
    #1358     Sep 22, 2009
  9. Why is this zombie thread still alive? Where is there a Death Panel when you really need one?
     
    #1359     Sep 22, 2009
  10. Well, do what is best for you.

    I think that newer traders could benefit more from scaling out because it can help with the psychology of having to face a pullback.

    Just as what David Merkel said, "Scaling in and scaling out gives freedom to investors, and removing many of the psychological burdens that they bear. It doesn¡¯t mean there won¡¯t be losses. There will always be losses - but they will be easier to bear, with no panic that leads to selling off at the lows, or buying at the highs."
     
    #1360     Jan 21, 2010