"Scaling out" is inferior behavior

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Buy1Sell2, Oct 18, 2006.

Do you scale out of positions?

  1. I always scale out

    113 vote(s)
    14.1%
  2. I scale out most of the time

    228 vote(s)
    28.5%
  3. Most of the time, I do not scale out

    189 vote(s)
    23.6%
  4. I never scale out

    270 vote(s)
    33.8%
  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    No. I said that anyone can find the optimal exit point for a trade over the long haul. I use trailing stops, not profit targets though and that allows me less decision making and more ability to have my profit grow very large when I am in a real runner. On each specific trade, I may give back money, but over the long haul, I will make much much more. In any event, scalers probably would have taken some profit at 10 pts 20 pts etc and would never have gotten to the 56.75 over the whole position like I did. My system is superior. It doesn't mean that I am superior, but in fact. my system is :)
     
    #1331     Aug 21, 2009
  2. JSSPMK

    JSSPMK

    When I used to trade All In All Out I couldn't achieve a positive equity curve, when I started scaling out (not scaling in) I started to make consistent gains. So in my case All In All Out was not an inferior strategy.
     
    #1332     Aug 21, 2009
  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    FWIW

    Is “scaling out” inferior behavior – to me

    I think the term “inferior” could be construed as “inept” – so for this post – I prefer to use the term “less profitable”



    I believe scaling out to be less profitable – 98% of the time

    I believe scaling out to be more profitable – 2% of the time

    Because

    If I have the skills to determine when to enter a trade – then by default I have the skills to determine when to exit a trade – and I do about 98% of the time


    The exception is when I lose mkt direction….., or my position size is such that exiting all at once would cause significant slippage (but then I’ve not used volume analysis properly have I :p)

    RN
     
    #1333     Aug 22, 2009
  4. BSAM

    BSAM

    Put me in the "inferior behavior" group. I think scaling out is a good thing. I'm real smart, (wink, wink) but I don't know what mr. market is going to do, so I'd rather take some off the table, then hold out my hands (position) for whatever else I can get.
     
    #1334     Aug 22, 2009
  5. Redneck

    Redneck


    IMO

    This gentleman is just as correct as I

    As no one shoe size fits all – no one approach to exiting a position – fits all

    regards

    RN
     
    #1335     Aug 22, 2009
  6. Milton

    Milton

    I agree 100% with you.
     
    #1336     Aug 24, 2009
  7. Consider the scalper who also wishes to not miss a breakout, so only scalps with half of the total position.

    Is this "inferior behavior?"

    Black and white now... gotta answer with a yes or a no! :D
     
    #1337     Aug 24, 2009
  8. DrEvil

    DrEvil

    I believe it all depends on your time frame. If you are scalper in a fast market you are better to scale out at optimum levels (levels where you believe that statisically you would be wise to take a profit). If you are like me (a swinger baby) I have found that you want your full position on till it's time to get out.

    Each to their own ...
     
    #1338     Aug 25, 2009
  9. :)

    Yeah, I find I make about 2x as much this way. I am essentially playing two games at once!
     
    #1339     Aug 25, 2009
  10. jjf

    jjf

    You will make even more money when you wean off the sim onto a real account.
    On the other hand you might lose your balance.
     
    #1340     Aug 25, 2009