Say it with me, $600,000,000,000,000

Discussion in 'Economics' started by S2007S, Sep 22, 2009.

  1. S2007S


    I have no clue how long this can be ignored but there needs to be serious regulation coming for the entire industry, especially currency derivatives.

    Derivatives Could Cause Another Meltdown: Mobius
    Published: Monday, 21 Sep 2009 | 12:14 PM ET
    By: Robin Knight

    Derivatives caused the market Armageddon of recent years and if left unchecked by global leaders, the same market could cause another catastrophe, Mark Mobius, executive chairman of Templeton Asset Management, told CNBC Monday.

    When asked by a CNBC viewer what kind of Armageddon could be expected if the derivatives problem is not addressed, Mobius replied: “The same kind of Armageddon that we just had, what we just saw in the last few years has been caused by derivatives.”

    The lack of liquidity, transparency, coupled with its sheer size means the derivatives market poses a major risk to financial stability, according to Mobius. The currency derivatives market is especially at risk of causing problems, but interest-rate derivatives also, he said.

    Mobius thinks that global leaders meeting for the G20 summit in Pittsburgh next week should focus almost solely on the derivatives trade. Debates over how much bankers are paid in bonuses should be bumped down the agenda, he said.

    The derivatives market is ten times the total GDP of the world, or $600 trillion, Mobius pointed out. And the market has been responsible for numerous bankruptcies in recent years as companies don’t know what they have on their books and don’t read the fine print, he said.

    “The scary thing for me as an investor is what a company has in their books. One of the first questions we ask a company is: ‘What derivatives do you have?’ Because so many companies have gotten into deep trouble because of that. Why? Because there’s no transparency, there’s no liquidity,” Mobius said.

    As central bankers around the world keep interest rates low, it is obvious that there will be another rise in various asset classes, Mobius said. Commodities and stocks will be the two main areas to draw money in, according to Mobius. “It’s already happening,” he added.

    Mobius thinks that different banking activities should be kept separate in order to protect investors and consumers.

    “You have banks that are doing everything under the sun, selling and buying derivatives, doing consumer banking, doing corporate banking,” he said. “They’re not banks anymore, they’re gamblers.”

    Mobius also said that the G20 leaders should also focus on keeping protectionism at bay when they meet next week.
  2. IMO the article misses the mark. Derivatives such as those discussed are a symptom, not the sickness.
  3. Regulate the motherf*ckers!
  4. lrm21


    BS number.

    This number has been tallied about, and it doesn't really make any sense.

    If you tally both sides of trade how big is the stock market?

    How much is actually at risk.

    I am inclined to not believe the number at this point.

    If this monster was truly a problem it have spooged all over the world on Sept 18 2008.
  5. make a transparent market for the derivatives, allow price discovery to do it's thing. The liquidity problem came about because nobody wanted to touch any MBS except some distressed hedgie managers, who are probably sitting pretty now. You only know what something is worth when you try to sell it.
  6. One-thousand trillion is "one quadrillion". :cool: