Save the Children says 2000 children already killed in Gaza

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  1. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

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    #301     Nov 18, 2023
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Other anecdotes aside (and I believe nothing out of the IDF), I've seen the Louk video. She wasn't being "raped" and was only half dressed because that's your typical getup in a music/rave festival. I didn't get any impression she was forcibly undressed.
     
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  3. Cuddles

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    #303     Nov 18, 2023
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  4. M.W.

    M.W.

    Nobody raped anyone other than your brain cells. You can repeat those lies as often as you like, it does not make it true.

    Wait, let me correct myself. There was a lot of gangbangs going on during the music festival, bareback, all sorts of debauchery. Many unwanted pregnancies and diseases passed on. They should thank Hamas for breaking up this sinful cesspool.

     
    #304     Nov 19, 2023
  5. M.W.

    M.W.

    She was probably ganged up on by fellow festival attendees. Nothing out of the ordinary for a horny young adult. But certainly does it not appear that anyone of Hamas laid hands on her.

     
    #305     Nov 19, 2023
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    oh, they certainly laid hands on her. They were parading her limp (likely dead) body around in the back of some pick up. The terrorists committed sins greater than rape; murder, so I don't put them above rape, but Israel is doing a disservice to the victims by amplifying atrocities with weak evidence, cold blooded murder is enough, it makes the world put in doubt anything they say when drumming up hate in the deceased names'.

    I don't doubt rape occurred, but I've seen reports of "most females showed signs of rape" which makes this seem as some rape of Nanking shit that clearly didn't happen.
     
    #306     Nov 19, 2023
  7. gwb-trading

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    Many women and underage teenage children were so brutally gang raped that their naked bodies were found with their pelvic bones broken.

    These brutally raped women were not music festival attendees and were found in or near their homes.

    At this point anyone denying the rapes and murders by Hamas is delusional. These crimes are well documented— including videos by Hamas itself boasting about their crimes.
     
    #307     Nov 19, 2023
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Again, objectively:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...eams-describe-signs-torture-abuse-2023-10-15/

    She said multiple cases of rape were found by forensic examination of the bodies, which have been stored in refrigerated containers.

    "We do the identification with all the means that we have," said a military dentist, identified as Captain Maayan. "We see them in severe stages of abuse. We see gunshots and we see signs that are purely torture."

    The military personnel overseeing the identification process didn't present any forensic evidence in the form of pictures or medical records.


    as to the pelvis rape story, it's told by a volunteer (not a doctor) at the above place not providing forensic evidence to Reuters. Much of it from tabloid dailymail:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ted-pregnant-woman-beheaded-unborn-child.html



    The sexual crimes are so poorly documented in fact, women's rights groups in Israel are raising the alarm:
    Israel women’s groups warn of failure to keep evidence of sexual violence in Hamas attacks

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-evidence-of-sexual-violence-in-hamas-attacks

    Women’s rights groups in Israel have warned of significant failings in preserving forensic evidence that could have shone a light on the scale of sexual violence committed against women and girls in last month’s Hamas attacks.

    Several incidents of sexual assault and rape from 7 October have been documented by Hamas body camera footage, CCTV, material uploaded to social media, and photographs and videos taken by civilians and first responders, according to several people involved in analysing the footage. Survivor and witness testimonies, many from the Supernova rave, describe seeing women being raped before they were shot.


    Many of the atrocities committed by Hamas, as well as what are believed to be civilians or criminal gangs from Gaza who also took advantage of the chaos, have been included by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) in a 40-minute reel of war crimes, screened to journalists and politicians. However, the most distressing material has not been released, on the grounds that it is too difficult to watch, and to preserve the victims’ dignity.


    A major worry for Israeli women’s rights groups is that it also appears that very little, if any, investigative work was done to document sexual violence before bodies were returned to their families for funerals, meaning that the gender-based nature of some of the violence has largely gone under the radar in Israeli and international media.

    Tal Hochman, a government relations officer at the Israel Women’s Network, said: “Most of the women who were raped were then killed, and we will never understand the full picture, because either bodies were burned too badly or the victims were buried and the forensic evidence buried too. No samples were taken.

    Tal Hochman, a government relations officer at the Israel Women’s Network, said: “Most of the women who were raped were then killed, and we will never understand the full picture, because either bodies were burned too badly or the victims were buried and the forensic evidence buried too. No samples were taken.

    A first responder, Simcha Dizengoff, said that in Kfar Aza, a kibbutz, his team found a woman who was naked from the waist down who had been bent over a bed and then shot in the back of the head, with a live grenade put in her hand. In Be’eri, a kibbutz where about 100 people were killed, an Israeli special forces sergeant described finding the body of a teenage girl lying naked and face down on her bed with evidence of sexual violence, who had also been shot in the head.

    Lt Tamar Bar Shimon, who survived the attack at the Erez military base
    attached to the Gaza Strip’s only civilian crossing into Israel, has testified that a Hamas man tried to take her clothes off, another stopped him, and they left the room in which she was hiding.

    Rape and sexual assault are considered war crimes and a breach of international humanitarian law. Israeli intelligence officials, experts and sources with direct knowledge of interrogation :rolleyes:reports of captured Hamas fighters think units that attacked were given a text drawing on a controversial and contested interpretation of traditional Islamic military jurisprudence, claiming that captives are “the spoils of war”. This potentially legitimised the capture of civilians and other abuses by Hamas, without being an explicit instruction to do so.

    These units were supposedly the ones detailed to take captives as opposed to killing people or holding the perimeter against Israeli security forces when they arrived. In leaked details :rolleyes: from interrogation reports of captured Hamas personnel, at least one man appears to have said his commander told the men that when it came to women and children, “do whatever you want”.

     
    #308     Nov 19, 2023
  9. M.W.

    M.W.

    She was very alive and had a few scratches when she sat in that truck (if we talk about the same footage). She clearly was not raped at that time. Not a single woman got raped in the short period between crossing the border and Israeli forces FINALLY arriving at the scene. Not one shred of evidence points to the contrary.

     
    #309     Nov 19, 2023
  10. M.W.

    M.W.

    Not one single woman got raped. You must have watched too many porn segments and got confused.

     
    #310     Nov 19, 2023