Saudi Uproar

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dealmaker, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    That was the right thing to do. What do you expect? Him to behead the entire family because the kid had f'ing problems?
    Its his fault? Its Trumps? Come down off the narrative for one minute H4 and use the smarts you came up with bro.
     
    #201     Dec 6, 2019
  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I'm sure he'd pass on Khamenei's or AMLO's condolences had the shooter been Iranian or Mexican.
     
    #202     Dec 6, 2019
  3. dealmaker

    dealmaker

  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Unreal

    The annual military spending bill, known as the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), was passed by a large majority in the House of Representatives on Wednesday and is expected to be approved by the Senate next week before being signed into law by Donald Trump.

    In negotiations before the NDAA’s passage, sections stipulating that Khashoggi’s murderers be subject to punitive measures were stripped from the bill, on the insistence of the White House – as were clauses that would have cut US support for the Saudi war in Yemen.

    According to the New York Times, the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, took a leading role in negotiations on behalf of the White House, and was insistent that the punitive clauses on Saudi Arabia should be removed.


    But tell me again about your outrage on how the Bidens influenced anti corruption investigations.
     
    #204     Dec 13, 2019
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    move along now, nothing to see here...
     
    #205     Dec 23, 2019
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #206     Jan 10, 2020
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...eff-bezoss-phone-hacked-by-saudi-crown-prince


    Jeff Bezos hack: Amazon boss's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

    Exclusive: investigation suggests Washington Post owner was targeted five months before murder of Jamal Khashoggi

    The Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos had his mobile phone “hacked” in 2018 after receiving a WhatsApp message that had apparently been sent from the personal account of the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, sources have told the Guardian.

    The encrypted message from the number used by Mohammed bin Salman is believed to have included a malicious file that infiltrated the phone of the world’s richest man, according to the results of a digital forensic analysis.

    This analysis found it “highly probable” that the intrusion into the phone was triggered by an infected video file sent from the account of the Saudi heir to Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post.

    The two men had been having a seemingly friendly WhatsApp exchange when, on 1 May of that year, the unsolicited file was sent, according to sources who spoke to the Guardian on the condition of anonymity.

    Large amounts of data were exfiltrated from Bezos’s phone within hours, according to a person familiar with the matter. The Guardian has no knowledge of what was taken from the phone or how it was used.


    The extraordinary revelation that the future king of Saudi Arabia may have had a personal involvement in the targeting of the American founder of Amazon will send shockwaves from Wall Street to Silicon Valley.

    It could also undermine efforts by “MBS” – as the crown prince is known – to lure more western investors to Saudi Arabia, where he has vowed to economically transform the kingdom even as he has overseen a crackdown on his critics and rivals.

    The disclosure is likely to raise difficult questions for the kingdom about the circumstances around how US tabloid the National Enquirer came to publish intimate details about Bezos’s private life – including text messages – nine months later.

    It may also lead to renewed scrutiny about what the crown prince and his inner circle were doing in the months prior to the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the Washington Post journalist who was killed in October 2018 – five months after the alleged “hack” of the newspaper’s owner.


    Mohammed bin Salman. One observer said the alleged targeting of Bezos reflected the ‘personality-based’ environment in which the crown prince operates.

    Saudi Arabia has previously denied it targeted Bezos’s phone, and has insisted the murder of Khashoggi was the result of a “rogue operation”. In December, a Saudi court convicted eight people of involvement in the murder after a secret trial that was criticised as a sham by human rights experts.

    Digital forensic experts started examining Bezos’s phone following the publication last January by the National Enquirer of intimate details about his private life.

    The story, which included his involvement in an extramarital relationship, set off a race by his security team to uncover how the CEO’s private texts were obtained by the supermarket tabloid, which was owned by American Media Inc (AMI).

    While AMI insisted it was tipped off about the affair by the estranged brother of Bezos’s girlfriend, the investigation by the billionaire’s own team found with “high confidence” that the Saudis had managed to “access” Bezos’s phone and had “gained private information” about him.

    Bezos’s head of security, Gavin de Becker, wrote in the Daily Beast last March he had provided details of his investigation to law enforcement officials, but did not publicly reveal any information on how the Saudis accessed the phone.

    He also described “the close relationship” the Saudi crown prince had developed with David Pecker, the chief executive of the company that owned the Enquirer, in the months before the Bezos story was published. De Becker did not respond to calls and messages from the Guardian.

    The Guardian understands a forensic analysis of Bezos’s phone, and the indications that the “hack” began within an infected file from the crown prince’s account, has been reviewed by Agnès Callamard, the UN special rapporteur who investigates extrajudicial killings. It is understood that it is considered credible enough for investigators to be considering a formal approach to Saudi Arabia to ask for an explanation.

    Callamard, whose own investigation into the murder of Khashoggi found “credible evidence” the crown prince and other senior Saudi officials were responsible for the killing, confirmed to the Guardian she was still pursuing “several leads” into the murder, but declined to comment on the alleged Bezos link.

    When asked by the Guardian whether she would challenge Saudi Arabia about the new “hacking” allegation, Callamard said she followed all UN protocols that require investigators to alert governments about forthcoming public allegations.

    Saudi experts – dissidents and analysts – told the Guardian they believed Bezos was probably targeted because of his ownership of the Post and its coverage of Saudi Arabia. Khashoggi’s critical columns about Mohammed bin Salman and his campaign of repression against activists and intellectuals rankled the crown prince and his inner circle.

    Andrew Miller, a Middle East expert who served on the national security council under President Obama, said if Bezos had been targeted by the crown prince, it reflected the “personality-based” environment in which the crown prince operates.

    “He probably believed that if he got something on Bezos it could shape coverage of Saudi Arabia in the Post. It is clear that the Saudis have no real boundaries or limits in terms of what they are prepared to do in order to protect and advance MBS, whether it is going after the head of one of the largest companies in the world or a dissident who is on their own.”

    The possibility that the head of one of America’s leading companies was targeted by Saudi Arabia could pose a dilemma for the White House.

    Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner have maintained close ties with the crown prince despite a US intelligence finding – reportedly with a medium–to–high degree of certainty – that Mohammed bin Salman ordered Khashoggi’s murder.


    Both Saudi Arabia and AMI have denied that the kingdom was involved in the publication of the Bezos story.

    A lawyer for Bezos who was contacted by the Guardian said: “I have no comment on this except to say that Mr Bezos is cooperating with investigations.”

    The Guardian asked the Saudi embassy in Washington about the claims. It did not immediately return a request for comment but later said on Twitter that suggestions Saudi Arabia was responsible for the hack were “absurd”.
     
    #207     Jan 22, 2020
  8. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Soooo.... the world's richest man had his phone hacked?
    And what does that tell ya?
     
    #208     Jan 22, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Don't give my whatsapp info to murderous thugs?
     
    #209     Jan 22, 2020
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  10. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Saudi Prince Courted Amazon’s Bezos Before Bitter Split
    Pair worked cordially to try to establish an Amazon presence in kingdom before rift over alleged phone hacking
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    Amazon’s Jeff Bezos and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia at a meeting in happier times in Riyadh in 2016. Photo: bandar al-jaloud/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
    By Justin Scheck in New York, Bradley Hope in London and Summer Said in Dubai
    Jan. 26, 2020 8:14 pm ET

    Through much of 2018, Amazon.com Inc. AMZN -1.22% founder Jeff Bezos and tech-savvy Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman seemed to be hitting it off.

    Texting over WhatsApp about a plan for Amazon to build a huge data center in Saudi Arabia, the men forged a cordial and mutually beneficial relationship. “It is very important for me, my friend, that you come to Saudi during the future investment Forum and we announce this $2.8B Vision 2030 partnership,” the prince messaged Mr. Bezos on Sept. 9, 2018, according to a review of texts by The Wall Street Journal and people familiar with the situation.

    Amazon stood to gain broader access to the Middle Eastern market. Prince Mohammed could be aided in his efforts to reform the Saudi economy as well as burnish his personal brand.

    Now, one of the world’s richest men and one of the most powerful princes are archenemies, each accusing the other of betrayal.

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    Over the course of 2018, Prince Mohammed grew frustrated as the Bezos-owned Washington Post published critical columns by Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi, according to people familiar with the matter. Mr. Bezos was deeply disturbed after men working for the prince murdered Mr. Khashoggi that October, said people familiar with the situation.

    But the feud didn’t erupt into a public spectacle until last week, with the surfacing of a report commissioned by Mr. Bezos that said—with “medium-to-high confidence”—that Prince Mohammed had installed spyware on Mr. Bezos’ phone via a WhatsApp message in May 2018.

    The Saudi government denies that the prince hacked Mr. Bezos’ phone. The Journal has reported that Saudi officials close to the crown prince said they were aware of a plan to compromise Mr. Bezos’ phone, though not that an attack actually happened.

    William Isaacson, a lawyer for Mr. Bezos, declined to comment for this article, as did representatives for the Saudi government in Riyadh and Washington. An Amazon spokesman declined to comment on details of the data-center plan.

    Later in 2018, the National Enquirer received embarrassing texts and photos of the then-married Mr. Bezos and his girlfriend, Lauren Sanchez, and published some of them in January 2019. Mr. Bezos has said there was Saudi involvement in the matter, an assertion the Enquirer and the Saudi government disputed.

    The Journal has reported that the Enquirer paid $200,000 to buy the racy texts and photos from Ms. Sanchez’s brother Michael Sanchez, according to people familiar with the matter, and that federal prosecutors have evidence indicating Ms. Sanchez had given him the material.

    Ms. Sanchez hasn’t responded to requests for comment. Mr. Sanchez said in an emailed statement: “With spoon-fed lies and half-truths, Wall Street Journal keeps getting it wrong.”

    It is a remarkable show of public animosity between two men who seemed to have aligned interests when they met in 2016.

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    Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend, Lauren Sanchez, in the royal box at Wimbledon during the final between Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic in July. Photo: pool/Reuters
    Prince Mohammed had taken over efforts to remake the Saudi economy, a position he gained after his father, Salman, became king in 2015. The prince told friends and acquaintances that he sees himself in the mold of tech-company founders like Steve Jobs and Mr. Bezos— men who built business empires through visionary leadership and supreme self confidence.

    For several years, Prince Mohammed has met with investors, money managers and chief executives to explain his vision. Among his big initiatives was a $500 billion tech-focused city called NEOM that he planned to build along the Red Sea.

    In confidential planning documents the Journal reviewed, consultants for the Saudi government outlined “tailor-made incentives” to woo Amazon as a major part of the project, including government funding and 99 years of free rent.

    Many Western business leaders wanted the prince to invest Saudi money in their operations, people familiar with the meetings said. Amazon was one of the few willing to invest a large amount of money in Saudi Arabia. The data center would serve Amazon customers across the region, according to people in the Gulf and the U.S. familiar with the talks.

    The two men had an April 2018 dinner in Los Angeles during a U.S. tour the prince made. For Prince Mohammed, it would be among the first major investments in the kingdom by a Western tech company, and one of the first times a big foreign company would choose Saudi Arabia, rather than traditionally business-friendly locations like Dubai or Abu Dhabi, as a Mideast hub.

    The details were negotiated by lower-level teams. But the prince and Mr. Bezos kept in touch about the project on a high level over WhatsApp, people familiar with the project said.

    WhatsApp was a key tool of the young prince’s global charm campaign. In his first few years as crown prince, he handed out his WhatsApp contact information to visiting dignitaries, businessmen, academics and some journalists so often that his phone streamed messages day and night, people who interacted with the prince said.

    Prince Mohammed would go through the messages every day, those people said. Receiving a response was a surprise for Americans accustomed to doing business in the Gulf, where senior princes were typically aloof.

    Talks about a data-center project that could cost $2 billion or more were under way when Prince Mohammed and Mr. Bezos began communicating over WhatsApp in spring 2018, the people familiar with the matter said. Saudi officials believed Amazon was willing to commit up to $4 billion to the project, said people involved in the talks.

    Yet the prince at points griped to Mr. Bezos about Amazon’s earlier business decisions in the region—it had bought an e-commerce company in 2017 that competed with a business co-owned by the Saudi sovereign-wealth fund, and announced a deal to build a data center in neighboring Bahrain.

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    An Amazon Web Services display at Bahrain Technology Week in 2017 as the cloud-computing unit described its coming Bahrain data center. Photo: hamad i mohammed/Reuters
    “I was very disappointed” to hear about the Bahrain deal, the prince texted Mr. Bezos, according to the people familiar with the exchanges. He wrote that Amazon’s decision not to partner with Saudi Arabia from the get-go “has pushed” Saudi Arabia to compete in e-commerce with Amazon.

    Still, the prince continued to send enthusiastic messages through the summer of 2018 about Amazon’s eventual arrival in the kingdom, these people said.

    It turns out the prince’s messages to Mr. Bezos were somewhat misleading.

    Prince Mohammed’s security adviser, Musaid al Aiban, had already frozen the data-center deal because Amazon.com wouldn’t allow Saudi intelligence and law enforcement access to the data as part of the discussions, people familiar with the matter said.

    On April 17, 2018, less than two weeks after the prince and the CEO had dinner in Los Angeles, Mr. Aiban told officials working on the deal not to complete it—and also not to tell Amazon it was being held up. Prince Mohammed was apprised of this strategy, according to these officials.

    “Never say no publicly. We just keep stalling and cite bureaucratic delays,” said an adviser for the government who worked on the project.

    Multiple efforts to reach Mr. Aiban through media representatives of the Saudi government were unsuccessful.

    It was important not to alienate Mr. Bezos because Prince Mohammed wanted him to attend the Riyadh financial conference later in the year. Nicknamed “Davos in the Desert,” it was the prince’s opportunity to trumpet, domestically and abroad, his alliances with the world’s business and technology leaders.

    Through the summer of 2018, the prince encouraged Mr. Bezos to come to the October conference, text messages show. It isn’t clear whether Mr. Bezos ever formally committed to attending.

    Then, on Oct. 2, 2018, Mr. Khashoggi, the Washington Post columnist, entered the Saudi embassy in Istanbul and never emerged. The Post wrote a number of investigative articles and editorials about the murder, many blaming Prince Mohammed.

    For days, Saudi Arabia issued statements denying involvement only to be contradicted by information gathered by Turkey, partially through recordings inside the Saudi embassy, that indicated Mr. Khashoggi was killed by Saudi operatives.

    Later that month, Saudi Arabia said officials of its government killed Mr. Khashoggi in a rogue operation, and tried to dampen international outrage by announcing its own investigation. The Central Intelligence Agency concluded that the killing was carried out under the prince’s orders, U.S. officials said. Saudi Arabia has denied the prince had any prior knowledge.

    In the aftermath of the Khashoggi killing, government officials and executives from around the world pulled out of the Riyadh conference, including Mr. Bezos.

    Around that time, National Enquirer employees got a tip about Mr. Bezos’ affair and began tailing him, the Journal has reported. In January 2019, Mr. Bezos revealed he was getting divorced, knowing that the Enquirer was ready to publish an article about his affair. The Enquirer subsequently threatened to publish more racy texts and photos unless Mr. Bezos publicly said he had no evidence the tabloid had targeted him for political reasons.

    Mr. Bezos refused the Enquirer’s demand.

    It wasn’t until last Wednesday that details of the alleged Saudi hack of Mr. Bezos’ iPhone became public, after United Nations officials called for an investigation of the incident and summarized the report by Mr. Bezos’ consultants.

    The consultant’s report has spurred questions among cybersecurity experts, who said it relied heavily on circumstantial evidence to make the case that a WhatsApp account associated with Prince Mohammed was probably used to hack into Mr. Bezos’ phone.

    The consultants weren’t able to figure out if information from Mr. Bezos’s phone was linked to the photos and texts that ended up with the Enquirer.

    Write to Justin Scheck at justin.scheck@wsj.com, Bradley Hope at bradley.hope@wsj.com and Summer Said at summer.said@wsj.com
     
    #210     Jan 27, 2020