Saudi Uproar

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  1. elderado

    elderado

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    #111     Oct 28, 2018
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  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.apnews.com/602e88e1b76148c48dcfe4838d9be33b

    Saudi Arabia again changes its story on Khashoggi killing

    RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Signaling a major pivot in its narrative, Saudi Arabia on Thursday said evidence shows that the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi was premeditated, an apparent effort to ease international outrage over the death of a prominent critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    The Saudi prosecutors cited Turkish evidence that the slaying was planned, contradicting a Saudi assertion just days ago that rogue officials from the kingdom killed him by mistake in a brawl inside their Istanbul consulate. That earlier assertion, in turn, backtracked from an initial statement that Saudi authorities knew nothing about what happened to the columnist for The Washington Post, who vanished after entering the consulate Oct. 2.

    The shifting explanations indicate Saudi Arabia is scrambling for a way out of the crisis that has enveloped the world’s largest oil exporter and a major U.S. ally in the Middle East. But a solution seems a long way off, partly because of deepening skepticism in Turkey and elsewhere that the brazen crime could have been carried out without the knowledge of Prince Mohammed, the kingdom’s heir apparent.
     
    #112     Oct 29, 2018
  3. An unremarkable woman desperately seeking to remain relevant no matter how low she must go.
     
    #113     Oct 29, 2018
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...sported-suitcases-report-181104062821760.html

    Khashoggi's body parts transported in suitcases: Report
    Corpse of Saudi journalist was dismembered and put into five suitcases after he was strangled, Turkish daily reports.

    to a report by a Turkish pro-government newspaper.

    Citing unnamed officials, Sabah reported on Sunday that the suitcases were then taken to the Saudi consul-general's residence near the consulate the day the journalist - a critic of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, also known as MBS - was killed on October 2.

    The officials said that Maher Mutreb, Salah Tubeigy and Thaar al-Harbi were the three key figures from a 15-member hit squad reportedly involved in dismembering Khashoggi's body and removing it from the premises.

    Mutreb was a direct aide to MBS, while Tubeigy was the head of the Saudi Scientific Council of Forensics and a colonel in the kingdom's army.

    Al-Harbi was reportedly promoted to lieutenant in the Saudi royal guard last year for bravery in the defence of the crown prince's palace in Jeddah.

    Sabah's report came 48 hours after Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he believed that the order to kill the journalist came from the "highest levels" of the Saudi state.

    Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Istanbul, said on Sunday the latest information added detail to the picture being formulated by Turkish prosecutors who say Khashoggi was strangled and dismembered soon after entering the building.

    Simmons said that Mutreb, a senior intelligence official, appeared to be leading the operation, while Tubeigy has experience in forensic pathology.
     
    #114     Nov 4, 2018
  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/joh...-killing-north-korea-and-south-china-sea.html

    Trump's national security advisor says tape of Khashoggi killing doesn't implicate the Saudi crown prince

    • Speaking to reporters in Singapore, U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton spoke about the U.S.-Saudi relationship, North Korea and the South China Sea.
    • The U.S. is closely following Saudi Arabia's investigation into the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, he said.
    • On North Korea, Bolton said President Trump was prepared to have a second summit with Kim Jong Un.
     
    #115     Nov 13, 2018
  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    Why are these thugs allowed to block traffic and threaten people? Police should have arrested them on the spot and used force to subdue them!
     
    #116     Nov 13, 2018
  7. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    Khashoggi Blame

    U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton said the tape of the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi does not implicate the Saudi crown prince and de-facto ruler, Mohammed bin Salman. However, the New York Times reported that, on the tape, a member of the kill team was heard saying to a superior to "tell your boss" that the mission had been accomplished, and that U.S. intelligence officials believe the "boss" is MBS. New York Times
     
    #117     Nov 13, 2018
  8. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Talk about getting thrown under the bus.

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    Saudi Arabia to Seek Death Penalty for 5 Accused in Khashoggi Killing
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    Protesters outside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, where the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi was killed last month.CreditCreditChris Mcgrath/Getty Images
    By Ben Hubbard and David D. Kirkpatrick


    BEIRUT, Lebanon — Saudi Arabia’s public prosecutor said on Thursday that he was requesting the death penalty for five people suspected of involvement in the killing of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi at the country’s consulate in Istanbul.

    Speaking to reporters in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, a spokesman for the public prosecutor said that the 15-man team sent to confront Mr. Khashoggi had orders to return him to the kingdom, but after he resisted they decided on the spot to kill and dismember him.

    The Saudi prosecutor’s account on Thursday appeared to contradict previous statements from both the Saudi government and senior White House officials about Saudi conclusions regarding the killing on Oct. 2 of Mr. Khashoggi.

    The assassination of Mr. Khasoggi, a Virginia resident who wrote columns for The Washington Post that were critical of some Saudi policies, has caused widespread international outrage and the largest foreign relations crisis for the kingdom since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    The statement from the Saudis on Thursday also sought to reinforce previous claims that the team in Istanbul had acted without the consent of the kingdom’s top leadership, meaning King Salman and his son Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

    Before Thursday, the Saudis, whose versions of events has shifted, had most recently acknowledged evidence from Turkey that Mr. Khashoggi was killed in a deliberate, premeditated assassination.

    The admission on Thursday that the killers had dismembered Mr. Khashoggi’s body to dispose of the remains appeared consistent with that version of events. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in interviews, had credited Saudi Arabia with acknowledging the premeditated character of the killing as part of the Saudi investigation.

    But the Saudi account on Thursday appeared to double back to previous explanations that the operation had originally intended only to question or capture Mr. Khashoggi.

    While acknowledging that the killers had quickly cut up the body, the Saudi prosecutor sought to portray the dismemberment as a spur-of-the-moment decision after an unintended killing. President Trump had previously dismissed that explanation as “the worst cover-up ever.”

    The new Saudi account offered on Thursday — of an accidental or improvised killing — also contradicted recent descriptions from American officials about audio recordings of the killing that the Turks had shared with the C.I.A. director, Gina Haspel, during her visit last month to Ankara.

    According to three people familiar with the recordings, one of the Saudi assailants, Maher Mutreb, can be heard instructing a superior in Arabic over the phone to “tell your boss” that the mission was accomplished.

    United States intelligence officials believe the “boss” referred to by Mr. Mutreb is almost certainly Prince Mohammed, the people familiar with the recording said.

    Mr. Mutreb was previously listed as a diplomat in the Saudi Embassy in London and he has often traveled with Prince Mohammed in what appears to be an intelligence or security role. Mr. Mutreb’s connections with the crown prince are another link between him and the operation.

    But the people familiar with the recording said that Prince Mohammed’s name is not heard, so the belief that he was the “boss” was a matter of deduction. It is also possible that Mr. Mutreb may have believed incorrectly that Prince Mohammed ordered the killing.

    Saudi officials disputed that account of the audio recording. The officials said Turkey had provided a transcript of a recording and allowed Saudi intelligence services to listen to it, and the officials said that the recordings heard by Saudi intelligence did not contain the phrase “tell your boss.”

    It is possible that the Turks may have shared their evidence selectively with other intelligence services, including the Saudis and Americans.

    Several current and former officials from Turkey, the United States and elsewhere have said that such a complex and risky operation could not have been conducted without the knowledge of the crown prince, although no evidence linking him directly to the crime has been made public.

    Turkish officials have said that Mr. Khashoggi was killed in a premeditated assassination carried out by the Saudi team, whose members flew to Turkey to do the job.

    The team, the Turks say, strangled Mr. Khashoggi soon after he entered the consulate, where he was hoping to obtain documents he needed to marry his Turkish fiancée, and then dismembered him.

    Turkey has also released names, photographs and videos of the team in Istanbul, including images of a man who was wearing Mr. Khashoggi’s clothes after the killing and was tracked walking around Istanbul in an effort to leave a fake surveillance trail.

    The Saudi spokesman said he could not identify any of the suspects because the investigation is ongoing.

    Mr. Khashoggi’s body has not been found. Turkish officials have speculated that the Saudi agents dissolved it in acid; on Thursday, the Saudi spokesman repeated his government’s claim it had been given to a Turkish collaborator who then disposed of it.

    Saudi Arabia’s story of what happened to Mr. Khashoggi changed repeatedly after his disappearance was first reported, with top officials insisting at first that he had left the consulate safely and acknowledging only weeks later that he had been killed inside the Saudi diplomatic building.
     
    #118     Nov 15, 2018
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I think their neck gets thrown under a broad sword over there. But remember, we can't prejudge MBS. We must assume presumption of innocence of any accuser I've been told on these boards.
     
    #119     Nov 15, 2018
  10. dealmaker

    dealmaker

    #120     Nov 16, 2018