San Francisco Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Politics' started by VicBee, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. It's not just about GDP, SF is the most expensive city in the country to live. How equitable is the distribution? How much of that is directly tied to tech and the stock market bubble? What about the median family? People are moving out of the Bay Area, not moving in.
     
    #21     May 10, 2023
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Rising GDP in San Francisco is certainly tied directly to Silicon Valley tech and wealthy techies and not evenly distributed across the residents in any way.
     
    #22     May 10, 2023
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Oh, sure. Lets compare a reopening year print to the year of the pandemic, when the economic output of the city came to a stand still. That makes a lot of sense.

    Where are the pre-pandemic numbers to now?
     
    #23     May 10, 2023
  4. VicBee

    VicBee

    Using general data to deny reality is curious. There is no question that key businesses are quiting downtown San Francisco, no question that vagrants have taken over several blocks of downtown and no question that petty crime has significantly increased in the last 3 years.
    To deny that San Francisco is in dire straits is not knowing San Francisco.
     
    #24     May 10, 2023
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    He's going to hold on to whatever candle still gives off light in an effort to deny that leftist policies are ruining the city.
     
    #25     May 10, 2023
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    if businesses that matter are moving out of SF because of "dirty homeless", why does their GDP keep going up?
     
    #26     May 10, 2023
  7. The stock market made a lot of rich people a lot richer during the pandemic, especially those in the tech space. You need to look at the median and compare it to inflation, not the averages. The averages are skewed towards the wealthy, especially in a place like SF.
     
    #27     May 10, 2023
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    You contradict yourself. On one hand, you want harsher punishment ala Asia. On another, you point to Portugal and Oregon not following their model, which is a complete opposite of the Asian approach, focusing on rehabilitation and not penalization.
     
    #28     May 10, 2023
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  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I don't see anyone denying the homeless problem or the crime poverty brings with it. Hell, I've often decried the intranational asylum crisis created by red states criminalizing homelessness and Cali. having to subsidize their outflow.
     
    #29     May 10, 2023
  10. Didn't contradict myself. I believe that following something like the Japanese model maximizes utility for the most citizens. However, I'm leaving the Portugal model open as a possible alternative to what we have now. I should have broken it up to be more clear instead of putting them together. I think we can all agree that the current model sucks hard.
     
    #30     May 10, 2023